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Down in the Polls, Thompson Blasts Baldwin in First Debate

Former Republican governor says his Democratic opponent in U.S. Senate race is too liberal; she claims he represents special-interest groups in Washington.

 

Trailing in the polls, former Gov. Tommy Thompson went on the attack Friday night against U.S. Rep. Tammy Baldwin in their first debate for the U.S. Senate race.

Republican Thompson portrayed his Democratic opponent as a “taxer and a spender” who is outside the mainstream, according to WisPolitics.com.

My opponent is so far to the extreme even her party doesn’t pass any of her legislation," Thompson said.

The Associated Press reported that Thompson spent most of the debate on the attack, casting himself as a visionary reformer and branding Baldwin "a taxer and a spender."

"When you don't have a record, you attack the other person," he said. "I get things done. I don't criticize the other side. I make sure things happen."

Baldwin wasn't shy about taking on Thompson, WisPolitics.com reported, accusing Thompson of cutting a sweetheart deal with drug companies while he was Health and Human Services secretary.

“My opponent has taken on powerful special interests as clients,” Baldwin said. “So ask yourself tonight: Who is better to represent the middle class?”

Throughout the debate, Thompson returned to his record as governor for nearly a decade and a half and dismissed Baldwin as far to the left of the state's voters, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported.

"We cut taxes. We changed welfare, giving people hope and opportunity. We built Wisconsin," Thompson said.

Baldwin painted herself as a "voice for the people, not the powerful," the newspaper said.

The debate, sponsored by the Wisconsin Broadcaster Association, comes with about five weeks left before the Nov. 6 election. Recent polls show Thompson trailing Baldwin for the seat that will be vacated by the retirement of U.S. Sen. Herb Kohl.

In August, Thompson had a 9 percentage point lead over Baldwin in a Marquette University Law School poll. The latest Marquette poll, released Sept. 19, show Thompson now trailing by 9 points. Other polls in the last two weeks also have Baldwin in the lead.

Related Topics: Tammy Baldwin, Tommy Thompson, U.S. Senate Race, Wisconsin Politics, election 2012, and participate 2012

Nuitari

7:04 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Tommy made her look like a weak idiot. He was a little too aggressive (for once). I thought Tammy was the angry one.

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Bren

11:56 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

I didn't get that. I did think about how Wisconsin was one of the few states to have an interest rate cap on credit cards before Tommy removed it. I also thought about how much money Tommy's made as a corporate "consultant" (near-lobbyist) and how his "consulting" work with Big Pharma currently keeps the U.S. government from negotiating bulk rates/discounts from Big Pharma.

I thought about everything else happening in Congress right now, 31 votes against the Affordable Care Act, obstruction against lifting the debt ceiling (incidentally raised 7 times during the Bush 43 administration without a whimper), etc. Economic recovery has been impacted by this foolishness. Do we really want to add a well-paid corporate toady to the Senate or do we want Tammy Baldwin? I'm voting for Tammy Baldwin.

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Bren

12:09 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

By the way, Scott Walker's currently in New Hampshire keynoting their state GOP convention. Interesting how the Wisconsin 14 were accused of dereliction of duty, etc., ad nauseum when they telecommuted. But it's absolutely fine to have an absentee governor. Since our non-degreed, absentee, math and contract law-challenged governor represents the lowest common denominator, let's send Tammy Baldwin to the Senate and show the country we are committed to better decision making going forward.

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James R Hoffa

12:11 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Tammy Baldwin's policies gave us higher taxes, 8% unemployment, rampant inflation, a stagflagnated economy, and more people not working and on food stamps than ever before in our history!

When Tommy Thompson was governor of Wisconsin, we had lower taxes, 2% unemployment, stable prices, a booming economy, and more people working and succeeding in life!

The choice is clear, isn't it?

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Bren

12:32 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Mr. Hoffa, there's a recession on, you forgot to mention. Why we have the high unemployment, food stamp access, etc. Even if you have forgotten, most of us remember we're in a recession, and also how we got there. Nothing to do with Barack Obama. Nothing to do with Democrats in a rubber-stamp GOP legislature under George W. Bush. Shame for omitting/misrepresenting facts.

And Tommy's policies rewarded his friends handsomely in the Fox Valley region, credit card companies, etc., at the expense of Milwaukee's central city. I like balance, and a governor who looks out for everyone in the state, not just the ones that can boost his bank account.

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James R Hoffa

1:02 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

@Bren -

Obama and the Dems promised that they would fix the recession back in 2008, remember? FACT is that under rubber stamp Dem policy, we have the slowest recovery out of a recession in our history.

But yeah, go back to the default of blaming Bush, as that's all you have. In actually, Clinton is responsible for more of the mess than Bush could ever hope to be - NAFTA, bank deregulation, favored nation trading status to China - but hey why let those FACTS get in the way when it's just so easy to blame Bush, right?

Funny how Obama and the Dems promised to clean up Clinton's mess back in 2008:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF9gpvI2UfU

Like nearly every other Obama promise - that was a LIE. In fact, Obama hasn't touched NAFTA, our deficit with China is increasing daily, and Obama has gotten us into even more bad trade deals since taking office:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/07/president-obamas-disingenuous-attack-on-outsourcing/259851/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-05/unions-oppose-congress-action-on-korea-colombia-trade-deals.html

http://teamsternation.blogspot.com/2012/08/ruh-roh-trade-deficit-with-s-korea.html

And Obama and Baldwin's policies have rewarded their friends in Solyndra and a multitude of other pork project boondoggles, while hurting the masses with $6T in new debt!

Vote for those who really will fix the mess, instead of those who make empty promises!

ROMNEY/RYAN/THOMPSON 2012!!!

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James R Hoffa

1:16 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

@Bren -

Did Scott Walker miss a critical vote, thereby silencing the voices of all of his constituents on the issue, the way that the Fleabag 14 did when they decided that it was more important to support Illinois tourism than to do their job in Madison?

Answer: NO.

But please, keep on trying to compare apples to oranges.

BTW - Where's your criticism of Obama for spending more time campaigning then doing his job as President? Obama skipped intelligence briefings before the anniversary of 9/11 because it was more important to campaign in Vegas, fund raise in Hollywood, go on TV, etc., and because of such dereliction of duty, we have a dead ambassador and three other dead Americans who were serving their country. Obama should be impeached!

Your hypocrisy and double standards are truly mind boggling!

Once again, Hoffa is laughing at the superior intellect!

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John Wilson

9:40 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

George Bush, our economic, philosophical and political genius will be out to the Cayman Islands on November 2, 2012, visiting Willard's money... he also has a starring role as... wait for it... a Key-Note speaker on how special people can take advantage of tax havens...

Personally, I think that is a perfect optic for a few days before the national election...

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John Wilson

9:57 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

JRH -

"When Tommy Thompson was governor of Wisconsin, we had lower taxes, 2% unemployment, stable prices, a booming economy and more people working and succeeding in life!"

When Tommy was governor [1987- 2001] of the great state of Wisconsin, you still had hair... unions were strong, wages were high, employment was good, the economy was good. You know, ancient history, before the nuclear Bush Bomb hit America…

Fast forward to the 21st century - vastly different context than when Tommy was in his prime - offshoring is massive, outsourcing is fashionable, we have a RED governor and a RED senator who only answer to special money interests, and firmly believe that if we only stop ALL spending, Jesus will return, the economy will flourish and, magically, Wisconsin will become Heaven.

Wisconsin, indeed, the world has moved far beyond the worn out, special interest guru called RED Tommy…

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Anne

10:16 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

I disagree. Tammy was always calm and talked straight to the camera. Tommy looked like a fat old blowhard who had nothing new and positive to offer.

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Chadwick

10:39 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

Well now that Bren has said she is voting for Tammy that should mean that 90% of the people who have read Bren's past posts will be voting for Tommy Thompson now.

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John Wilson

10:54 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

JRH -

"When Tommy Thompson was governor of Wisconsin, we had lower taxes, 2% [ actually 3%] unemployment, stable prices, a booming economy and more people working and succeeding in life!"

When Tommy was governor [1987- 2001] of the great state of Wisconsin, you still had hair... unions were strong, wages were high, employment was good, the economy was good. You know, ancient history, before the nuclear Bush Bomb hit America…

Fast forward to the 21st century - vastly different context than when Tommy was in his prime - offshoring is massive, outsourcing is fashionable, we have a RED governor and a RED senator who only answer to special money interests, and firmly believe that if we only stop ALL spending, Jesus will return, the economy will flourish and, magically, Wisconsin will become Heaven.

Wisconsin, indeed, the world has moved far beyond the worn out, special interest guru called RED Tommy…

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/mar/26/tommy-thompson/tommy-thompson-says-wisconsins-unemployment-rate-w/

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James R Hoffa

11:28 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

@Lyin' John Wilson -

Once again, you're confused - Bush isn't in office, nor is he running for one. So you may want to lay off the MSDNC talking points, as it really makes you look foolish!

And your ramblings aren't important enough to repeat multiple times, so try to stick to just one time in future, for everyone!

Let's see you put your money where your mouth is - if you approve of $6T in new Obama/Dem debt, then go to your bank and have them make out a cashier's check in the amount of $38,605, your personal share of the $6T in new Obama debt, made payable to the US Treasury (with no remitter) with the statement 'debt reduction' listed in the memo section, take a photo of that check, and post the picture of the check here for all to see.

Then we'll all know that you're serious and actually believe in and support Obama's/Baldwin's vision for our nation/state.

Unless you're willing to do this, then your little more than an all talk and no action HACK!!!

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John Wilson

12:34 pm on Sunday, September 30, 2012

JRH –

“Tammy Baldwin's policies gave us higher taxes, 8% unemployment, rampant inflation, a stagflagnated economy, and more people not working and on food stamps than ever before in our history!”

Absolutely, unequivocally WRONG!

Which of Tammy’s policies gave us higher taxes, 8% unemployment, rampant inflation, a stagflagnated (NOT a REAL word) economy, and not working on food stamps than ever before in our history?”

Please be specific:

Which policies – by Tammy Baldwin – gave us higher taxes? YOU HAVE ALWAYS BLAMED OBAMA BEFORE!

Tammy is responsible for unemployment at 8%? YOU HAVE ALWAYS BLAMED OBAMA BEFORE!

Tammy is responsible for rampant inflation? YOU HAVE ALWAYS BLAMED OBAMA BEFORE! [INFLATION: 2.93% in Jan 2012/1.70% in Aug 2012] that is RAMPANT?

A stagflagnated economy? YOU HAVE ALWAYS BLAMED OBAMA BEFORE!

In addition, not working on food stamps than ever before in our history! YOU HAVE ALWAYS BLAMED OBAMA BEFORE!

Please furnish me with Tammy Baldwin’s policies that accomplished all of this; your misrepresentations and hubris seems to have no bounds…

Actually, Hoffa, I think you have partnered up with Lyin’ Ryan in your alternate universe...

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James R Hoffa

1:08 pm on Sunday, September 30, 2012

@Lyin' John Wilson -

Check out Baldwin's voting record - she never met a tax increase that she didn't like!

http://www.nrsc.org/2012/09/after-supporting-liberal-tax-and-spend-budgets-in-washington-tammy-baldwin-claims-shes-fiscally-responsible/

If Baldwin had her way, we'd all be paying through the nose to the federal government right now!

And she tends to vote in line with Obama's policy positions.

Apparently, you known nothing about Tammy's record in Washington!

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John Wilson

1:29 pm on Sunday, September 30, 2012

JRH –

I like Bren’s statement about liking balance, as I do too…

Therefore, although President Obama is out campaigning – like King George who live on the golf course, spent months on the Texas ranch and continued reading “My Pet Goat” to the school children, while planes impacted the World Trade Center in New York – he simply sat there for 7-minutes – because he didn’t want the country to think he was afraid… both of these presidents get updated intelligence on the fly and are kept aware of crisis situations as they are occurring. [We have these modern inventions called encrypted cell phones, satellite phones, encrypted faxes and texts.]

The major difference here, I might add, is that President Obama can actually read, hear and analyze…

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John Wilson

2:25 pm on Sunday, September 30, 2012

JRH –

I am very familiar with Tammy’s biography, legislative voting record and I’ve even had the opportunity to meet and discuss various legislation with her in Madison. To me, the only problem I have with her achievements and voting record is… she is simply NOT LIBERAL ENOUGH!

The NRSC [National Republican Senatorial Committee] site you listed is not exactly a very unbiased source…

“If by a ‘Liberal’ they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people – their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties – someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a ‘Liberal,’ then I am proud to say I’m a ‘Liberal.’”

JOHN F. KENNEDY, DEMOCRAT

Although I do not align myself with any political party, I think I would describe myself, in his particular area, as an Ultra-Liberal Independent. In our great President Obama’s words. I “do not let the perfect become the enemy of the good”; I am very much a pragmatist.

Therefore, I promise you that I will stop telling people the truth about you, as soon as you stop lying about me…

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Bewildered

3:08 pm on Sunday, September 30, 2012

Wilson, OMG, are you really claiming "I do not align myself with any political party"? You gotta be kidding! Is there one person on Patch who believes that? Nope. Esp. when, in the same post, you state that Tammy is NOT LIBERAL ENOUGH ( his caps, not mine). BTW, Wilson, I started out this post with OMG just to get you going. Such a godless man in more than one way.

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The Anti-Alinsky

3:51 pm on Sunday, September 30, 2012

Bren wrote "Interesting how the Wisconsin 14 were accused of dereliction of duty, etc., ad nauseum when they telecommuted. But it's absolutely fine to have an absentee governor..."

Bren, part of the Governor's job is to be an ambassador to other states and other countries. Thanks to your huge hissy fit this past year, Governor Walker is now, as you like to put it, a rock star in the Republican party. The exposure Wisconsin gets by Governor Walker's appearances goes a long way in promoting our great state.

As far as absentee, Governor Walker has been here when his job requires it. Unlike the fleeing 14 who failed to show up for the biannual budget process.

An example of an absentee governor would be when Diamond Jim Doyle was in Spain train shopping while companies were leaving the state because of his high taxes.

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Steve ®

1:24 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

►Mr. Hoffa, there's a recession on◄

Bren - The recession has been over since June 2009. What you are looking at is the slowest recovery ever, Obama owns it, start admitting it. This is your boy, be proud of his record.

doug toader

7:13 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Tammy seemed angry and frustrated. Tommy kept his cool as the wise Wisconsin statesman. I am sure Tommy enjoyed a cold one post debate while Tammy went home and screamed at her wife.

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Dirk Gutzmiller

12:26 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Doug Toader - That is your opinion, but what is your husband's?

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Bren

12:33 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

doug, you saw what you wanted to see, of course. Why make the attempt to be a responsible voter and watch the debate with objectivity?

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doug toader

1:21 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Bren baby I did watch the debate. Why didn't Tammers push her gay agenda? That's what she is all about. Not once did she clue us in as to why she is the most liberal member of congress. She is trying to keep her real agenda in the closet until elected. Come on man she is a Mad town lefty and trying to hide it. Won't work, sorry!

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John Wilson

10:16 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

doug toader -

You have to remember that Tommy had 70 years to practice that Willard "COOL" that only you can see; I suspect you see the unstable Willard as "COOL" too.

I see an old, used-up man, attempting to be relevant in a century that has long ago passed him by... even Supreme Court Justices begin contemplating RETIREMENT - which Tammy will help Thompson with - when they reach their 70's; and they are appointed for LIFE!

Keith Best

7:21 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Here's what the voters need to know.
Citizens Against Government Waste gives Baldwin a rating of just 2%.
The Christian Coalition gives her a rating of just 7%.
Gun Owner's of America rates her a grade of "F".
American Conservative Union rates her at 2%.
The National Taxpayers Union gave her a rating of 17%- with the title of the Biggest spender in WI. delegation to Congress.
Non-Partisan National Journal rated her the most liberal member of Congress.
The people need to know THIS is the REAL Tammy Baldwin.

Vote Tommy on Nov. 6th.

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Lyle Ruble

9:36 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

@pull my string Keith Best...The information you are providing is from the most conservative of all organizations. Just shows how far to the right the GOP has moved. Tommy sold out Wisconsin and is now reaping the rewards of his time in HHS. Tammy has a least stayed a Wisconsinite and is in the Bob LaFollette progressive tradition, which is the true Wisconsin and the soul of the original GOP.

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Bob McBride

10:04 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Tammy's still in office and Tommy isn't. If Tammy was out of office and making a living for herself in the private sector, she may very well be doing so by utilizing her connections to the benefit of special interests as well. SOP for most ex-pols.

I hope, Lyle, you're not suggesting that she's NOT one of the most left-leaning members of Congress....

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Bewildered

10:43 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Hey Lyle, I counted. That the 63rd time you've used the line "Pull my string". Dontcha think its time to come up with a new witty insult?

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Bren

12:12 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

And Tommy was a paid corporate "consultant." Special interests are the worst threat to our form of government because they create imbalance on the playing field. Adding more corporate puppets to the legislature absolutely isn't going to restore the balance we need to get back on track.

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James R Hoffa

1:05 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

@Bren -

Funny for you to say that, as Tammy is endorsed by a multitude of special interest groups, just like Thompson is.

I guess that means that you won't be voting for her after all, right?

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Lyle Ruble

7:23 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

@Bob McBride....Is Tammy Baldwin one the most liberal members of congress? Hell yes! Is that necessarily a bad thing? Hell no! Just as Ron Johnson represents a certain segment of Wisconsin's population, Tammy represents another. Both views are needed to balance representation.

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Bob McBride

8:12 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

So then what's your problem with Keith Best's post? It appears factual, he identifies the organizations doing the rating. They're either blatantly conservative in nature (via their names) or well known as such - or not strictly conservative, as in the case of the National Journal. He's not misrepresenting anything.

Baldwin, on the other hand, is - she's trying to portray herself as a centrist. She's no less insincere about being centrist than is Tommy about being a hard right conservative. Tommy, in actuality, is much closer to the image she tries to portray for herself than she is. Why not run on the lefty record if that represents "the true Wisconsin"?

I can answer that for you - if you can't, or won't.

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Anne

10:18 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

If those groups hate her, she's the candidate for me!

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John Wilson

10:20 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

Keith Best -

Say it isn't so... the most conservative, radical, bible-thumping, intolerant organizations in the world rate Tammy low...

This is, well, just absolutely astonishing!

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Walker

7:26 am on Monday, October 1, 2012

If those groups hate her then she must be doing something right. Funny how the rethugs don't support Tommy until he's the only choice they can get behind. He wasn't conservative enough for them until he became their only choice.Face it he sold out. He sold out Wisconsin & the elderly. He made million$ helping drug companies make billion$ on the backs of the working class.

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Bob McBride

7:57 am on Monday, October 1, 2012

"Funny how the rethugs don't support Tommy until he's the only choice they can get behind."

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Did the turnip truck make a sharp turn?

Yes. That's the way it works. That's why we have primaries. It's why we don't have Hovde and Thompson and Fitzgerald (and whoever else was running in the primary) all running against Baldwin at once. It's why we didn't have Falk and Barrett and LaFollette (and whoever else was running in that primary) all running against Walker at once. We have a primary, the candidate with the most votes in that race gets the nod and those who supported someone else in the primary suck it up and vote for them in the final election.

You're welcome.

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Walker

8:01 am on Monday, October 1, 2012

My apologies for not making it simple enough for you. The rethugs aren't voting for tommy their voting against Tammy.

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Bob McBride

8:15 am on Monday, October 1, 2012

Once again, and that's different than many elections in the past, how?

Were you all in on John Kerry in '04? Or does that predate your ability to legally show up on election day, swallow hard, vote for someone who you don't particularly care for in order to vote against his or her opponent?

They call it "the obvious" because it should be obvious. Not for you, apparently.

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Walker

8:45 am on Monday, October 1, 2012

Sad. Never been one to vote strictly party. Just for the best candidate at the time & in '04 it wasn't Kerry. I'm sure it's a foreign concept. Moderates are a fickle bunch; they don't just vote party lines.

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Bob McBride

9:32 am on Monday, October 1, 2012

Who was "the best candidate at the time"? Did they have a shot at winning? Even a remote one?

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John Wilson

10:14 am on Monday, October 1, 2012

Walker -

Tommy EARNED ALL THAT MONEY... BY HIMSELF!

The "Typical" GOP campaign:

In 2010, the GOP gained a net 60 seats in the HOUSE; they gained these seats running under a SINGLE ISSUE: JOBS! They gleefully told all of FRIGHTENED America, “WE WILL HAVE A LASER FOCUS ON JOBS! IT IS OUR NUMBER ONE ISSUE FOR AMERICA!

Here is what the GOP HOUSE has introduced:

46 bills on abortion
113 bills on religion
73 bills on family relationships
36 bills on marriage
72 bills on firearms
604 bills on taxation

Additionally, let us not forget, they all went to their offices in D.C., knelt down and prayed, and prayed and prayed… then they went to the floor of the HOUSE and introduced a bill, making IN GOD WE TRUST our NATIONAL MOTTO, forgetting(?) that E Pluribus Unum (Out of the many, ONE) has always been our NATIONAL MOTTO…

ONE(1) BILL ON JOBS…replete with massive “poison pills”, trap doors, side doors, mazes, and cuts to children’s food programs!

No wonder then that Harry Reid first shredded this onerous JOBS BILL(?), then burned the remains in an urn, placed the remains from that operation in a small glass vial, and sent the vial on a small space ship headed for Newt Gingrich’s moon colony...

Voting for Tommy is sort of like buying a one-way ticket to Newt's Moon Colony, for only $3,000,000!

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James R Hoffa

12:16 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012

@Lyin' John Wilson -

There you go again with your LIES and spin, not to mention shifting the subject! Straight from the Alinsky play book!

Other than government jobs, the government can't just create jobs - they can only create an environment in which the private sector can flourish. And right now, we don't need, nor can we afford any more government jobs!

And the GOP led house has passed a plethora of bills that would accomplish the goal of creating a favorable private sector environment - but they were all tabled by your buddy Harry Reid in the Senate. So, the blame you're looking to convey should be squarely placed on the Democrats in the Senate, and not the Republicans in the House.

You may want to pull your head out of your rectum before the election!

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John Wilson

1:12 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012

JRH –

I guess, IF you don't believe that government can create JOBS, then the entire 2010 GOP campaign with its "laser like focus on JOBS" - is simply another, in a long, long string of GOP LIES...

Eisenhower (R) for ONE, a National Highway System created government and private JOBS!

Wars create jobs… especially for the Military-Industrial-Complex!

Our entire National Defense, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, CIA, Homeland Security, and NSA all create both government and private JOBS!

You have to be the most ignorant GOP operative in all of America!

Now, after November 6, 2012, you can tell me just who has their head where… that is, if you can find your way back from Newt’s Moon Colony…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/sherrod-brown-government-does-create-jobs-and-we-democrats-need-to-say-so/2012/06/12/gJQAQwNmXV_blog.html

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James R Hoffa

1:37 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012

@Lyin' John Wilson -

Apparently, you didn't understand the GOP message in 2010 because your brain is too inundated with liberal kool-aide!

Any job that's funded with taxpayer dollars, whether that job is directly for the government or something that the government contracts out, is a job that we don't need any more of and cannot afford right now.

We're already borrowing 36 cents of every dollar our government spends. $16T in federal debt and counting. Another $18T in state and municipal debt and unfunded liabilities. And about $30T in private debt. Total debt of the United States $64T!!!

Again, if you approve of the $6T in new Obama debt, then please put your money where your mouth is and post a picture of your cashier's check with no remitter listed in the amount of $38,605 made payable to the US Treasury, with the statement 'debt reduction' on the memo line.

Until you're willing to do that, then you're just not a serious liberal!

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John Wilson

8:15 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012

JRH –

All money comes from the government; the FED prints it, and it all starts there. Fact is, the government does not have to own or control you for you to be using taxpayer money to make a profit and stay viable as a business; this also qualifies, per your definition, as a government JOB!

The oil companies are obviously government businesses, as the government subsidizes them quite heavily each year with taxpayer money: really private companies like Reliance Industries, Essar Oil and Shell India, to name but a few, do not get any taxpayer money; Lyin’ Ryan has a 40B subsidy in his budget for the oil companies. We taxpayers call that corporate welfare!

I understand a Red herring argument when I see one.

Hence, unless you can upload a picture of you deep throating your retro-Cadillac, then you are not a REAL CONSERVATIVE…

Where are the JOBS that the 2010 GOP campaign promised to “focus on like a laser”?

I know, they are probably on the Moon Colony with Newt and you…

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James R Hoffa

2:11 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

@Lyin' John Wilson -

When did Hoffa say that he was in favor of corporate welfare???

He didn't, as he doesn't.

But between the two viable choices that we have in this election, I'd rather support that guy that gives the corporate welfare to viable corporations, as opposed to the guy that wastes our taxpayer dollars on nonviable corporations such as Solyndra - remember that one, even Obama's own DOE stated in an official communication that it was "not ready for prime time," and yet after the Obama campaign bundlers/contributors that owned that boondoggle made a few trips to the WH, they still ended up with our money and we ended up getting screwed!

And let's not forget that Obama promised to close the WH to lobbyists, be transparent, and broadcast WH meetings on C-SPAN 3 so we could watch them play out. Yeah, that was all a big crock of you know what!

Obama = LIAR just like you - no wonder you like Obama so much!

While Romney admittedly isn't perfect, as no one is except for Hoffa (but only because Hoffa admits that he's not perfect) he's definitely the better choice in this election!

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John Wilson

4:07 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

JRH –

IF you did not support Corporate Welfare, you would not be supporting Lyin’ Ryan; Lyin’ Ryan has 40B in Corporate Welfare alone in his Budget plan, and more both in the pipe and to come down the pipe…

There are not 2-viable choices in this election; there is only ONE CLEAR CHOICE.

And, it is sad, for you, that you can only bloviate over how much hatred you have for President Obama. I suspect that if the Patch did not exist, your head would explode from all the pent up steam.

Your man crush on President Obama is only equaled by Bewildered’s man crush on the great John Wilson.

Perhaps, after November you folks will find a way to actually get a life…

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CowDung

4:19 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Where are you getting that $40 billion figure from, John?

According to this CBS news report, oil companies only get $4 billion in subsidies. The report also states that Ryan is in favor of cutting those subsidies...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20058561-503544.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/29/us-usa-oil-ryan-idUSTRE73S0NE20110429

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John Wilson

6:29 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

CowDung -

I will try to be very specific so you may follow this...

First of all: 4 x 10 = 40

Lyin' Ryan's Budget is a 10-year budget...

Each year of that budget Lyin' Ryan gives 4B in subsidies to big oil!

Ryan has said, numerous times, many, many things, including that he would be open "to considering eliminating ALL subsidies." Of course, that was part of the reason he refused to allow the Bowles-Simpson Plan to go before the HOUSE for a vote...

I have NEVER been "trapped" by what any (D) or (R) candidate SAYS; I am only interested in what they ACTUALLY DO!

Much has been said since 2010, and most of that has been nothing but posturing, pandering and attempts to make the other side look unreasonable, while you look reasonable and adult.

Lyin' Ryan is as etched in stone as you can get, even at age 42; he is a pure, unchanging ideology: all $$$ must go to those "job creators" who already have millions or billions.

I sincerely hope this answers your questions…

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CowDung

10:27 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Considering that Obama has done nothing to end the current $4B in annual subsidies, why crucify Ryan for keeping them in his budget? If you are looking at what the candidates actually do, you'd have to consider that Obama and Ryan have actually done the same thing about these subsidies.

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John Wilson

12:26 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

CowDung –

I reject your premise, as President Obama has attempted to get the 4B per year subsidy for oil out of the budget – the Republicans simply say, “No, that will cause the price of oil, gasoline to spike and we will get less from the Gas, Oil, Petroleum (lobbyists)

Obama has tried Republicans have consistently said, “No.”

Obama cannot FORCE the HOUSE to approve the 4B cut, and YOU KNOW they are NOT going to compromise on ANYTHING, especially if it makes Obama look good and gives him a victory on ANYTHING.

The president submitted his budget; Lyin’ Ryan has said, well, FU, we are in CONTROL here; I am the Intellectual Leader of the GOP; I am the policy wonk – he passed 2 wonky bills after spending 14-years at $174,000 per year salary, one on naming a PO in Janesville – and now he says, THIS IS THE GOP Budget, and the HOUSE & SENATE must approve it!

Please tell me how President Obama can force Lyin’ Ryan to compromise or to take his 4B per year gift to big oil out of his own bill…

“If you are looking at what the candidates actually do, you'd have to consider that Obama and Ryan have actually done the same thing about these subsidies.”

NO!

This is but ONE sticking point regarding why we do not have a budget!

Please LEARN how government actually works before you cheer lead for one of the most deceptive - $$$ only goes to the rich and super-rich – people in the world…

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CowDung

12:35 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

If I recall correctly, it isn't just the Republicans that have been saying 'no' to Obama's budget proposals. The latest was rejected with a 99-0 vote in the Senate. The one before that was rejected 97-0. Even Ryan's plan got more votes than zero when it was defeated (41-58). You can't just blame the Republicans for Obama's failure to pass a budget.

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John Wilson

5:57 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

CowDung -

I'm NOT!

I am blaming Lyin' Ryan for his insistence on 4B per year in subsidies for the big oil companies... you do remember that was where we began this discussion... and your questions went to that...

The inability to reach a compromise, any reasonable compromise between the (D) & (R) folks is what is responsible for no budget in 4-years. This simply cannot continue if this country is going to survive as a Republic... The few adults on both sides of the aisle are going to have to get this DONE!

The alternative is another downgrade in our credit rating, a Depression and probably a great deal of civil unrest; Americans are too fat and complacent to have a true Arab Spring Revolution...

Unfortunately, I do not think this election is going to solve anything…

Jay Sykes

8:04 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Did anyone count how many times Thompson said, (paraphrase) ... in my 14 years as Governor, 12 of those years the legislature was controlled by the Democrats, we compromised... solved problems..... got things done... In Baldwin's 14 years in the House...(Thompson sighs)....

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Bob McBride

9:29 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Was it enough times to get royally blitzed if you turned it into a drinking game?

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Dirk Gutzmiller

12:36 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

I just got sick of the nostalgia tripping. The man is running on fumes from his prior life. That Tommy period of time was when it was the fashion to compromise, and Tommy was a moderate. The new model is the Scott Walker sledgehammer approach to "solving" problems.

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Anne

10:19 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

You forgot about how he BUILT Wisconsin!

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John Wilson

10:27 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

Dirk Gutzmiller -

I wouldn't say Dirk was right... I think I'd say Dirk was EXACTLY RIGHT!

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James R Hoffa

11:16 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

So in other words, Dirk and Wilson are upset that Thompson has a positive record to run on while Tammy has virtually no record despite spending 14 years in the House!!

Tommy used his government positions to better everyone's lives. Tammy just used her position to make herself over $1M.

The choice is obvious. Holding the line on taxes and spending creates jobs - VOTE THOMPSON!!!

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Walker

7:30 am on Monday, October 1, 2012

JRH your way of twisting things is too funny."In other words"? In "your words". Back in the day I supported Tommy; today . . . not so much.

William

9:25 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Patch working overtime today to control the bigots trolling as patriots.

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Bob McBride

9:27 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

And you commented here on that because...?

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Nuitari

11:39 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Yes, I see Maley is acting as referee as usual.

Sam H

9:51 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Wow, what a great headline for an opinion piece! Patch, you're showing your true colors if you call this a "news" headline.

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Sam H

9:56 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

"My opponent is so far to the extreme even her party doesn’t pass any of her legislation," Thompson said....."When you don't have a record, you attack the other person," he said. "I get things done. I don't criticize the other side. I make sure things happen." Pretty easy to fact-check his "I don't criticize the other side" claim when he does so within the same debate.

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Michael McClusky

10:53 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Whoever wins the election had better take the job seriously once in office. I have heard that only about 10 senators even take the budget process seriously. This atmosphere has to change if we really want to get something done in Washington. Keep an eye on the winner's actions!

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Bren

12:16 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

I couldn't agree more!!! We would like our politicians to do the jobs we elect them to do, but so many come in with their own agenda. Ambition is fine, but when it interferes with the job they are being handsomely paid (and elected) to do, they need to be called out. We voters can't afford to be apathetic any more.

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Michael McClusky

4:52 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

@Bren What the senators have been doing the last several years is NOT voting on bills at all. This protects their precious voting records because they cannot be held accountable. I hear thay giggle with one another privately and they think it is just a game. They could care less about the nation's problems- they just want to keep their jobs. What a bunch of worthless, spineless turds!

James R Hoffa

11:15 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

How could Thompson have "cut a sweetheart deal with drug companies while he was Health and Human Services secretary," as Baldwin alleged, when Thompson was merely in the executive branch of government, law enforcement, as opposed to the legislative branch, law creation, as Baldwin is?

Congress, which Baldwin is a member of, makes the laws. As a part of the executive branch as HHS secretary, Tommy was merely charged with enforcing the laws that the Congress passed and the President signed.

Tammy Baldwin is LYING, preying upon the low information, non-thinking voter. Disgusting and pathetic! Tommy never once mis-characterized either his record or Baldwin's - telling the truth during the entire debate.

Even the uber-liberal SanFrancisco Gate had this to say about Baldwin:

"Baldwin, in contrast, has served seven relatively low-profile terms in the U.S. House."

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Thompson-goes-after-Baldwin-in-Wis-Senate-debate-3901359.php

Apparently, the self-declared people's voice isn't very strong or loud when in Baldwin's hands, rarely getting anything done! Baldwin just used the office to make herself over $1M.

The choice is clear - do you want millionaire extremist Tammy Baldwin, who believes that she knows better how to run your life than you do, or do you want the voice of proven reform, positive results, and individual freedom - Tommy Thompson?

ROMNEY/RYAN/THOMPSON 2012!!!

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Bren

12:26 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

It was because of Tommy's "consulting" (lobbying) efforts. Her claims were rated "True" by Politifact on August 15, 2012. (Link: http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/sep/04/tammy-baldwin/uncle-sam-barred-bargaining-medicare-drug-prices-s/)

Mr. Hoffa, did you skim over that Politifact rating when it came out or (heaven forbid) are you trying to misrepresent the facts, the old "Win at All Costs" theme?

Shame.

Voters, do you want to vote for a candidate who puts his benefactors' interests before yours? If so, Tommy's your guy. If you believe in the Darwinian concept of "Survival of the Fittest" instead of caring for neighbors, atheist philosophy fan Paul Ryan's your guy.

And if you believe that returning to the Bush-era policies that exacerbated that turned a line item surplus into the worst deficit in U.S. history and the worst recession since the Great Depression, then Romney's definitely your guy.

I'm voting for Tammy Baldwin and Barack Obama because Tommy, Ryan, and Romney do not represent what I believe America should be, or the kind of person I try to be.

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Dirk Gutzmiller

12:58 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Sec. Thompson was the “point man” for a Bush Administration plan to make it to illegal for the government to negotiate lower prescription drug prices. [Milwaukee Journal Sentinel 11/21/2003, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Sept. 4, 2012]

In 2008, the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform issued a report which said: “If Medicare Part D paid the same price as Medicaid for all drug purchases, the total savings to the taxpayer over the next ten years could be as much as $156 billion. Beneficiaries could also save up to $27 billion.” [House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, July 2008].

Tommy was also against getting prescriptions filled in Canada, where prices are cheaper, so-called re-imported American drugs. His excuse was it was not safe, yet many of our drugs are manufactured in places like India.

By the way, the Executive Branch Departments like HEW makes Regulations, which are the rules details behind the broad laws passed by Congress.

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James R Hoffa

1:37 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

@Bren -

Thompson was not in government. Thompson had no power to vote. Therefore, Thompson had no power to make law.

Conversely, Baldwin was in government. Baldwin had the power to vote. Therefore, Baldwin had the power to make law.

Above, you claim that "we would like our politicians to do the jobs we elect them to do," but then make excuses for the politicians and point the finger at and blame the lobbyists instead of blaming the politicians?!?!

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!?!

Your hypocrisy is monumental and your spin is so extreme that it's starting to make Hoffa dizzy!!!

Politifact is clearly biased and comes to illogical and erroneous conclusions to suit their partisanship.

Shame on them and shame on you for perpetuating such TRASH!!!

Don't believe the propagandist, fear mongering Bren - she's watched a little too much MSDNC and fried her brain!

Tammy puts her benefactor's interests before the people - like Solyndra, etc. Tammy votes for nearly every tax increase that comes across her desk and nearly every spending bill that's proposed. She is not a responsible steward of your tax dollars.

The GOP does NOT want to return to Bush era policies - they didn't even feature Bush at their convention. Bren is LYING because she is desperate and wants to win at all costs.

And the worst deficit in US history is owned by Barack Obama, not Bush.

Bush added $4.358T over 8 years.
Obama will have added 6.364T over 4 years.

ROMNEY/RYAN/THOMPSON 2012!!!

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Walker

7:38 am on Monday, October 1, 2012

Bush started with a $236 billion SURPLUS. He left a $423 billion dollar deficit.

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James R Hoffa

12:06 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012

@Walker -

And Obama has ran $1T+ deficits ever since taking office - what's your point?

Jay howler

1:39 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Using Politifact to support any argument is like doing a research paper using Wikipedia - not a good sound decision.

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Resistance is futile

7:49 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

I agree with Tammy that if congress doesn't pass a budget, they don't get paid.

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Resistance is futile

7:51 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Tommy: "There is a snake in the ground and we gotta stop it!!!!

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Steve

12:04 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

Tammy Baldwin was one of the few that voted down the repeal of Glass-Steagall act

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dpatric2

6:35 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

I had to chuckle at Tommy's comments during the debate. He often said that he does not attack his opponent but offers "solutions." This is right after he attacks his opponent and does name calling...just like his ads. Tommy is a relic fr
om the past. He touts his "job creation" efforts despite the fact that he was the first Governor who created a structural deficit when he left for a cabinet position along with leaving a structural deficit for McCallum and other governors after him. The great "job creation" efforts during his governorship would have happened even under a guy like Walker (the great job suppressor) because the of the thriving national economy occurring during his administration (due partly to the Clinton policies). Tommy should continue his lobbying job in the private sector. Let a true representative of the middle class, Tammy, be our senator!

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Nuitari

6:58 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

Yes, I want an angry man-hater who knows nothing on economics represent me.

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John Wilson

10:34 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

Nuitari -

You have one now, it's called Walker....

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James R Hoffa

11:12 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

Millionaire Tammy Baldwin is "a true representative of the middle class" - you're joking, right???

Did you know that if every tax increase that Tammy voted in favor of had passed and become law, the average middle class family would currently be paying 64% of their yearly acquired income into the federal government! Sorry, but that doesn't sound very friendly to the middle/working class to Hoffa!

Holding the line on taxes and spending creates jobs - vote THOMPSON!!!

AG

8:08 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

Remember all the Union thugs will be voting for Baldwin as she will write blank checks and put this country more into debt which is what the left want and Europe is suffering for this kind of leadership.

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morninmist

9:01 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

Remember that the TeaGOP has no ethics and will cheat whenever and whereever they can!

#Mitt: Why did u hire #NathanSproul?What did u hire him to do?How do you explain his #voterfraud? http://truth-out.org/news/item/11798-florida-gop-fired-romney-consultants-voter-registration-firm-after-fraudulent-forms-reported-in-palm-beach … #p2b #Connecttheleft

.....According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Strategic Allied Consulting has been paid some $667,000 this year by the FL GOP, presumably to run its voter registration campaigns in the state. That number, however, does not account for another identical payment made in August. The Palm Beach Post is reporting tonight that the firm received "more than $1.3 million" from the Republican Party of Florida "to register new voters."

The firm is not only tied to the FL GOP, but also to the Mitt Romney Campaign, which hired Sproul as a political consultant late last year, despite years of fraud allegations against his organizations in multiple states.

Moreover, the firm is also reportedly operating similar voter registration operations on behalf of the Republican Party, to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, in a number of key battleground states this year, including North Carolina, Virginia and Colorado. Strategic Allied has recently taken steps to hide their ownership by Sproul's notorious firm, Sproul & Associates...

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John Wilson

10:40 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

AD -

You mean with voter suppression laws - think RED Walker here - True the Vote animals all over the state, Democrats being misdirected to the wrong voting precinct, having their vote challenged at the polls, you still have not been able to stop those "Union thugs" from voting?

You have to be the most incompetent Mafia, sorry, I mean Party, EVER!

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The Anti-Alinsky

3:57 pm on Sunday, September 30, 2012

morninmist wrote "...TeaGOP has no ethics and will cheat whenever and whereever they can!"

So here's an idea morn, let's limit their cheating by implementing a voter ID system. That way they can only vote once.

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morninmist

12:07 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012

Yes, tell that to TeaGOP Vos's wife!

http://www.politiscoop.com/us-politics/wisconsin-politics/1541-complaint-filed-with-gab-against-robin-vos-s-estranged-wife-heading-to-racine-district-attorney.html

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The Anti-Alinsky

3:57 pm on Sunday, September 30, 2012

morninmist wrote "...TeaGOP has no ethics and will cheat whenever and whereever they can!"

So here's an idea morn, let's limit their cheating by implementing a voter ID system. That way they can only vote once.

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James R Hoffa

12:31 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012

@morninmist -

You're a little late to the party!

Hoffa already debunked the false and libelous claims made against Samantha Vos:

http://mountpleasant.patch.com/articles/voter-fraud-complaint-now-with-district-attorney-s-office

http://mountpleasant.patch.com/articles/voter-fraud-complaint-now-with-district-attorney-s-office

Next time, do us all a favor and try to stay current with your side's LIES and FALSE allegations!

morninmist

8:43 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

Tommy came across angry and anxious during the debate--hardly able to control himself. I do not want that madman in the US Senate. He also repeated his talking points over and over. Tammy was calm and collected and got her message out. I want her in the US Senate-someone who is able to articulate her positions clearly.

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Bob McBride

8:46 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

That might mean something if you weren't already majorly in the tank for Baldwin. Tommy could have been eloquent (and pigs might fly) and she could have been a drooling, muttering mess and you'd still be singing her praises.

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morninmist

9:16 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

@Bob
I would not be singing her praises, as you say, if she acted like the nutcase like Tommy came across as.

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Bob McBride

9:30 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

You'd be deflecting, accusing Tommy of bullying her and still singing her praises. Stick to the twitter feeds. Those you can at least blame on someone else for their nonsensical nature.

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morninmist

9:53 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

@Bob

Love to see loser Rose lose $ on loser Tommy!

@SpudLovr

Every Time Tommy Thomspon Opens His Mouth -- It Costs Karl Rove a Million http://ow.ly/e6dBL #wiunion #wisen

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Bob McBride

10:10 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

That's more like it, misty, although it's "Rove", not "Rose".

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John Wilson

10:45 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

morninmist -

Tommy is old school, very old school... he believes that if you just say things many, many times over... people will believe it is true; either that or senility has really caught up to him... big time!

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James R Hoffa

11:08 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

@Lyin' John Wilson -

Hmmm... does that sound like someone else you know?

Hint: try looking in the mirror!

John Wilson

9:28 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

Tommy by is too old, too senile, too corrupt, too full of 1920's GOP barfing points, same-oh, same-oh, garbage we hear from all has-beens who are bought and paid for by special interest groups, that only really lust for the power they once had...

Go fishin' Tommy, and let a lady with a functional brain, spirit and vision more the great state of Wisconsin FOWARD...

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Bewildered

10:04 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

Mist, do you also agree with Wilson's statements on religion?

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James R Hoffa

11:06 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

@Lyin' John Wilson -

There you go again! Making personal attacks against Republican candidates because you can't attack their policies with any kind of coherent logic!

Predictable and utterly pathetic!

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dsaff

3:55 pm on Sunday, September 30, 2012

Well said John, I thought ole' Commy Tommy sounded like a broken record. He forgot his most memorable phrase,"Stick it to `em". We won`t soon forget that one.

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Chadwick

4:21 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

@John Wilson, do you ever make a comment that has any facts or basis in reality? It's hilarious reading your rants that delve into the world of paranoia.

James R Hoffa

11:33 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012

FACT - If every tax increase that Tammy Baldwin voted in favor of had passed and became law, the average middle class family would currently be paying 64% of their yearly acquired income to the federal government in taxes.

Tammy Baldwin is NO friend of the middle/working classes!!!

Vote to hold the line on taxes and spending - VOTE TOMMY THOMPSON 2012!!!

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morninmist

1:13 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012

yah tommy. --- who better than you to get rid of Medicare and Medicaid.

T. ‏@tjamba77

@tommyforgov why you are not getting elected http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5i7nrJXrd4&feature=youtu.be

Tommy Medicare news coverage.mov

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Bewildered

1:55 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012

Again i ask,Mist, do you also agree with Wilson's statements on religion?

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James R Hoffa

2:02 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

@Bewildered -

Given that misty previously made fun of Romney's "magical underwear," Hoffa believes it's safe to say that morninmist is a religious bigot.

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morninmist

11:56 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

so Hoff--
you and imaginary friend are once again into imaging events.

...............

James R Hoffa

2:02 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

@Bewildered -

Given that misty previously made fun of Romney's "magical underwear," Hoffa believes it's safe to say that morninmist is a religious bigot.

morninmist

2:45 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012

Jeff Simpson ‏@JeffSimpson7

@TommyForWI tells us in his own words he is a lazy coporate hack who doesnt have an original idea of his own! http://cognidissidence.blogspot.com/2012/10/tommy-thompson-does-not-want-to-do-work.html #wiunion

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morninmist

3:14 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012

and now for the real story of that hospital that Tommy claims he built!!
Tommy talks his cues from #lyingRyan.

http://thepoliticalenvironment.blogspot.com/2012/10/thompson-said-in-debate-hed-built.html

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AWD

9:20 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012

My God did you all see the debate? Tammy Baldwin embarrassed herself. Typical babbling Progressives...talk, talk, talk, talk, talk and never answer the question or make any sense. Expect the same thing from the Marxist Usuper on Wednesday night.

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morninmist

12:32 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

@dane101

MULawPoll: Combined polling of eight polls since August shows Baldwin leading in all but one where she's tied with Thompson.

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Steve ®

1:27 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

She can't talk about what she really believes in. Just look at the crap mist posts, no one votes for bone heads like this.

Steve ®

1:26 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

►Down in the Polls◄

Mark - When you over sample democrats by 11% it's not hard to be down in any poll. Reporting, it can't be that hard.

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