wordlady-you just heard from an ex-terrorsit and you still won't believe that Islam is a religion that hates all non-muslims?? Book learning has made you a fool.

Were you asleep when 9/11 happened?

Jesus is the one true God.

I attended the rally of " Information about the Muslim religion" as I would call it, take the information home with me and do some investigation. Something liberals should do instead of pulling their typical remarks out of their "Liberal Handbook" racism, hate etc. Remember most scholars from Universities are liberal so we need to mix it up a bit more than these type of people "Wordlady".

Cazzie, Aren't you just doing the same thing? Muslims hate all non muslims. You are presumably a non muslim, I'll assume christian, and you are hating a non christion...

wordlady, i appreciate the comment. i was raised christian and was turned away from the religion by a lot of hate that people had towards others. one of my friends in college was a religious major (devote christian) and we discussed a lot of these issues. he was able to provide a broad spectrum on many religious views and taught me a lot about other religions. i surprisingly also learned that the one thing that annoyed him the most was religious intolerance bc it often stems from misunderstanding that no one ever tries to correct. unfortunately, intolerance and fear of learning about others is always favored bc it means no one has to challenge themself to learn. it's much easier to be intolerant and i'm disheartened when all i read about on this wall is hate. i grew up here, but i'm sad to say i feel less at home when i hear comments such as those written in response to yours

Replying to good old Tim Selerski here, you do realize that Islam shares the same God as you, right? Islam is a continuation of Christianity in a sense just as Christianity was born from Judaism. Islam just had one more prophet after Jesus Christ and Moses: Muhammad. The Qu'ran still accepts and believes in both Moses and Jesus as prophets, but the only difference is that Muhammad is considered a focal point in Islam.

Bigotry and Ignorance spawns no good.

@Cazzie
I don't hate non-muslims, and I'm muslim. All we want is a place to pray in a group or have 'mass' and talk about how we can better ourselves. It'd be nice if we could build one here so I don't have to use all of my money on gas to drive 30 minutes away to ISM, please before you make wild accusations about Islam as a whole educate yourselves go to a Mosque and ask questions we will answer them.

Growing up in Waukesha I never though that we would see the day that people are being persecuted for their beliefs. I am ashamed to see such events being held and am equally ashamed to be from the area. This has nothing to do with politics it has everything to do with close mindedness. People forget that at one point Catholics were treated the exact same way, we need to learn from our history and move on forward. Hate breeds hate, and same with acceptance.

Book learning has made you a fool?

When you believe the psuedo-christian political organizations that use actors like this guy to whip you into a frenzy to hate things you know nothing about and people you will never meet - that is what makes someone a fool.

You can learn that from books, by the way. But not Fox News.

Let's hear what Mahound had to say in the koranus -

Kill the kuffar wherever you find them.

Need I quote more suras?

Liberal news media and especially Muslims will do anything to hide the truth.
So Google and especially CNN are experts to counter your point you made?

Thank You Imam, May your days be blessed.

CNN couldn't finish their expose on him because all the information they gathered after extensive investigating was found to be correct as stated by Walid . They dropped the story because the dirt wasn't really dirty. Everything he claims to be true infact is true. You need to check out more than the biased liberal press. He scares you doesn't he??? Well you should be afraid...very very afraid!!!

CNN did an extensive investigation on Walid Shoebat and found him to be truthful in ALL of his claims so they dropped the story but only after the damage was done. You need to do more than listen to the bias liberal press. He scares you doesn't he?? Well you should be afraid ...very very afraid. Our very way of life is at stake and our grandchildren deserve more than this.

To Walk the Walk:
You are right. CNN did have an expose on Walid..but for your information they found him to be the fraud that he really is. What I do not understand is why some individuals are not willing to look just outside their presumptions. Why are they not willing to share with others the same rights that they want to enjoy themselves namely the freedom to practice own religion or even no religion at all. Remember the "Golden Rule"?
At any rate, here is the link to the CNN expose. Take the time and watch it for yourself. Look deep inside your heart. Do unto others what you want others do unto you!! Peace!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJN00dBhZVk

Gary Rumain

1 Samuel 15:2-3 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember [that] which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid [wait] for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Wow sounds like Christians and Jews are also a religion that wants their people to destroy non believers. How ignorant and childish can Brookfield be. As long as they are not breaking the laws, who cares. Also other religions also have strange rituals and seem different than mainstream Christianity, but we do not shun them.

@ Gary Numain, the answer is "yes", you do need to quote more verses, explain their context, at what time they were revealed in the time of the Prophet (PBUH), etc...if you expound on the verses you carefully selected, this is what you find, "And fight in the way of Allah with those WHO FIGHT YOU, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. AND KILL THEM WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM, and drive them out from whence they drove you out." (2:190-191). So these verses are clearly talking about responding to those who are fighting Muslims and who had expelled Muslims from their homes; the nonbelievers of Makkah who had persecuted, driven the Muslims out, boycotted them for their beliefs. Non-believers who had specifically hurt, persecuted, attacked, and expelled Muslims from their homes. Not all non-believers. It makes no sense to indiscriminately kill all non-believers. How will they have a chance to learn about Islam, to go through the maturation process necessary to understand and one day (hopefully) embrace it. It takes a long time for a heart to change. Again I'm not out to change your mind Gary. I am simply providing the truth to your misinformation and hopefully it will help someone else. Replacing ignorance with knowledge, one ignoramus at a time.

@Gary Rumain,
That was completely taken out of context,
The Prophet Mohammad had said that when Muslims were under attack just because they were a new religion, people were trying to kill them just because they didn't practice the same religion. Before a battle the was an army of about 300 muslims against 1000 non-muslims so that surah was said before a battle.

Is it true the word Islam itself means "to submit"?

Islam means, "peace through submission". The idea is that by submitting yourself to God and his teachings, you will find peace in both this life and the next. I ask the ignorant to refrain from making a silly comment like, "you mean like killing the infidel." No. That is not what I mean. Besides the central commandments like believing in God, all the Prophets, the books of revelation, the Hereafter, etc... it also includes how we deal with earthly issues (in no particular order) such as animal rights, social interaction, kindness, social justice, mercy, establishing the rights of humanity (men, women, even children's rights), etc... When people say that is Islam is comprehensive, this is what they mean. But most faiths are comprehensive meaning that they give you guidelines for how to live your life.

Just to underscore your point...experts are human. Inherently they are biased and flawed. Just look at the Pope preaching that condoms won't help the AIDs epidemic....religion and rational, scientific, logic-based thought do not mix. Period.

No koranimal is innocent. You all have blood on your hands.

@ Gary Rumain
I have blood on my hands? For what exactly? What did I personally do?

LOL! So you admit that sharia is practiced in the US? Good. sharia is all about head chopping and hand lopping, whipping and stoning. Informed and educated people know what it really is and not what the ignorant pretend that it is.

Once again another liberal with their head in the sand, what we call a Neville Chamberlain thinker.

@Gary Rumain...As practiced in North America, Sharia Law is much the same as the Kosher Laws as practiced by observant Jews. Contemporary observance is isolated to dietary restrictions, laws of purity and modesty. The idea of honor killings, sharia observance for punishment of theft, etc. is something that is nearly non-existent. There have been a few instances of honor killings, but they are not sanctioned by any religious authority. I will admit that with the influx of East African Muslims there is a certain amount of Female Genital Mutilation, however it is still rare and FGM is not supported by Muslim Authority.

By and large Islam in America holds the law of the land supreme just as American Jews hold the secular laws supreme over Kosher laws.

Do you people really believe that if a Mosque opens up that will correspond with an increase in violence or other crimes?

When ignorance is spread through misinformation, it is the responsibility of those with actual knowledge to respond and "right the ship". Shariah does exist in the U.S. in the same way that Jewish law exists in the U.S. Most matters in Shariah are about religious practices (prayer, purification, etc...), then there are matters of living in a respectful way (eating, social relations, animal rights, etc...), then there are actual matters that may enter a courtroom (marriage, inheritance, etc...). As Shariah is not the law of the land, in a conflict such as divorce, agreeing to use Shariah is a personal decision that has to be made by both parties. It would be akin to coming to a decision and then telling the court that this is how both parties want to deal with the issue. There is no conflict with the American system of law. So yes, Shariah does exist in the United States and there are different applications of it and lastly, it isn't a big deal and will affect the mainstream in the same way that Jewish law affects the mainstream. NOT AT ALL.

The main Islamic sharia law being implemented in the West imposed on non-Muslims concerns criticism of Islam and Muhammad. The polling that has been done thus far shows that most Muslims in the West want non-Muslims to be criminally prosecuted and punished for criticizing Islam and Muhammad. The editorial policies of most of the mainstream media are biased in such a way as to be consistent with Islamic legal restrictions on what non-Muslims can say about Islam and Muhammad. In addition to the numerous Islamic organizations which constantly press for more and more restriction on what non-Muslims can say about Islam and Muhammad, there are also numerous vigilantes who threaten and try to attack "blasphemers' and critics of Islam.
If you want to see sharia and jihad in action as it is applied today in most western countries including the U.S., just try to criticize Islam and Muhammad in a public way to a large audience, and watch what happens. Muslims are commanded by the Quran to do everything they can to enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and there is no greater wrong in Islam that non-Muslims being allowed to openly express their disbelief and disobedience to Islam and Muhammad. Getting control over what non-Muslims can say about Islam and Muhammad is one of the most important aspects of Islam and sharia.
By contrast, the vast majority of Jews aren't trying to impose Jewish law pertaining to expressions about Judaism.

Hmm, Mike, I'm not sure where you are getting your information (only because you have not stated it), but I would disagree with you regarding the idea that Muslims don not want non-Muslims to speak their mind about Islam and Muhammad (PBUH). Now when people are referring to Muhammad (PBUH) with slander, and name-calling, that shows very poor form. When people did that to the Prophet (PBUH) when he was still alive, he would respond by simply talking about what Islam is and convey the message, but then he was a very patient man. Most Muslims would agree it's good to talk about the Prophet and God. But name calling, and making up stories, and not looking at the big picture (this is a Prophet and God that we are talking about) just shows poor intent. The intention is not to illicit thought or conversation, but simply to create anger and response then to turn around and highlight the response and say, "see how they behave?!". Anyway, I mentioned how the Prophet (PBUH) dealt with idiots with patience. That being said, there are idiots everywhere, you don't have to look very far to find one. Muslims will always be respectful of all Prophets of God, so you don't have to worry about that.

@ fuzz either you are hypocrite or ignorant ? i came from muslim countries so what you are saying is what you think is and not what actually is , blasphemy laws apply to anyone who criticize Islam ,Writer Salman Rushdie was accused of blasphemy because he wrote book about islam ,i don't remember any name calling written in it ?!!!!! Muslim riots because of cartoons criticizing your prophet . show me one time muslims answered to criticism by patience as you said

@mike You don't remember any name calling in Salman Rushdie's book? Then, it makes sense that you don't remember a single time in all world history that Muslims responded to criticism with patience.

I'll give you one example where Muslims are responding to criticism with patience: THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS MOSQUE.

Gosh, you're an idiot.

There is another option Mike, I mean besides ignorant or a hypocrite. I could be sayig the truth. In regards to the examples you gave, again it wasn't an issue of drawing the Prophet or writing about the Prophet to foster a discussion or start a productive conversation. It was merely to instigate anger. For example the cartoon that depicted Muhammad (PBUH) with a halo that looked like two horns is offensive. Secondly, the one that has a man (Muhammad PBUH) with a bomb on his head is also offensive. No room for conversation or dialogue there. Just instigation. As far as Salman Rushdie, I did not read his book so I cannot comment on it. There is a conservative, knee jerk reaction group in any community who may have declared fatwas (which by definition does not apply to every Muslim), but stating that is what all Muslims say is wrong.

@Gary Rumain Stoning was also practiced in Christianity. Christians are also trying to press their believes of contraception and abortion on the rest of the country isn't that the same thing?

Dude, Gary, you're an idiot.

All the same there was an interesting article in The Guardian (British paper). England is a country which has embraced Muslims. Apparently, there is a huge problem there with female circumcisions being performed on young girls- really horrific things done to these young girls- and they are not able to stop it. Also there have been arrests with large groups of Muslim men forcing underage British girls into sex and prostitution. In England they have not been able to stop the culture which many Muslims bring with them from their native countries and instead these communities function out of the constraints of the law in many cases with honor killings, young girl marriages, female genital mutilation and the like. If large groups come to our area who are from traditionally Muslim countries I wonder how the US will be any different?

So

At first, I was impressed that you were using your real name, unlike all these cowards. Then, I realized that you were using your edumacation to spell "Time Done."

And, you're probably wondering if "White Power" is my real name. You can look it up in the phonebook. Actually, no you probably can't.

9/11 was a terrible event that affected all of America even American Muslims. But there are terrorist act from Christians too, some Christians have resorted to bombing plan parent hoods because they are practicing things against the bible. How come no one is trying to ban churches because of a small group of extremist Christians?

There must be something said about a religion that worships a dying man tied to a couple of wooden planks. Then his followers eat his flesh and drink his blood. Now I know where hollywood got their idea of zombies from!

So, you're amazed at how far Sharia law is pushed outside the mosque? Perhaps you should re-read the book of Deuteronomy. You will find that the Judeo-Christian holy book contains some pretty bizarre laws, too. These predate the birth of Muhammad, so it can't be said that Islam "invented" weird and barbaric laws of conduct. I'd not want many of them to become law in this country; nor would I want to see them being practiced on my next trip to the Dells.

just a comment on the males that was dressed in swimming trunks and the woman dressed in full body suits and head wraps,go learn about islam then you will know why the woman are dressed like that(because their ourah is from head to toe)and no they are not forced to walk like that,go learn about the religion then you can make informed comment!!!ALLAHU AKBAR

Gadija, I do not know what you mean by "ourah" but why is a women's from head to toe and a man's is between his waist and knees?

"Four years ago on a trip to the dells, I saw a family of what I ASSUME was practicing Muslims were at a water park."

You assumed?

That's the definition of bigotry.

And, don't make fun of rednecks, you inbreed. My Ford F150 can outrace your Toyota Tacoma any day.

Really? Did you just ask GADIJA and her capital letters why women are covered more than men? When you were secretly looking in your mom's (i.e. sister's) bedroom, did you not notice that she has a different anatomy?

@Anti-Alinsky...I have lived and worked all over the globe. Sharia is practiced differently from place to place. In many nations it is personal such as here in the US, while in others it is overtly enforced, but with degrees. Alcohol is prohibited in some nations while in others, even though Islamic, it is tolerated, especially for foreigners. The degree to which someone practices Sharia or Kosher is between the person and G-d.

BTW, a woman is covered out of modesty. If you would read even the Old Testament from the Christian Bible, you would find commandments concerning women's modesty, especially displaying of the hair. In orthodox Judaism, married women cover their hair with either a cap, head wrap or wig. You must understand it is a sin to create desire in someone other than your husband, therefore modesty is imperative. In strictly enforced Islamic countries, women and men are not allow to swim together, but women do swim in private with other women.

You need a little more time outside the US, Wisconsin and Waukesha County.

White Power, yes I assumed they were Muslim. The women's dress kinda of gave it away. If I saw a man with a dark complexion wearing a black panther uniform I would assume he would be black. Or how I can assume the lovely and talented Eva Mendez is Hispanic and Lucy Lui is Asian. Don't try to pull any BS over on me that you don't make assumptions concerning peoples background based on appearances, dress or mannerisms. Your only lying to yourself. The definition of bigotry is not that you notice differences, but the negative actions you take based on them.

By the way, I have nothing against Sharia law as practiced within the limits of laws of Wisconsin and the United States. If those are the religious laws that particular family wishes to follow, that is their chose. I respect that the same as I respect Jewish traditions. My point was simply to illustrate how women are treated differently under Islam even her in the United States.

Incidentally, trying to make me out as a racist is a terrible spin. I embrace the diversity we have in this country and around the world. I do have an issue with cultures based in intolerance and violence. I am not just speaking about Islamic cultures, there are many others that need to grow up and let people make their own choices. I judge people on their actions and words. For example you are an extreme Liberal whose arguments are so weak that you spin anything you can to minimize others.

So I'll ask the same question Lyle, which has yet to be answered:

Why is a women's "ourah" from head to toe and a man's is between his waist and knees?

BTW, I have spent plenty of time outside the US, Wisconsin and Waukesha county.

@Anti-Alinsky...If you have spent much time outside the US, it sure isn't reflected in your comments. As far as ourah is concerned, I am not aware of it's definition other than it's a retail site.

BTW, It wasn't just a crazy dictator that caused the Holocaust. It took millions to carry it out.

@The Anti-Alinsky. I can't believe what you just said. But, you said it.

"If I saw a man with a dark complexion wearing a black panther uniform I would assume he would be black."

So, it's the dark complexion and the "black panther uniform" that makes him "black."

So...the dark complexion in a business suit would mean that he's not black?

Gosh, you're dense. You're a dense bigot, and you can't even admit it to yourself.

Awrah: "Awrah or Awrat (Arabic: عورة‎) is a term used within Islam which denotes the intimate parts of the body, for both men and women, which must be covered with clothing. Exposing the awrah is unlawful in Islam and is regarded as sin. The exact definition of awrah varies between different schools of Islamic thought." Now as to why they are different for men and women, there are many reasons. 1) anatomy, 2) modesty (both for men and women) e.g. men cannot go around in speedos, 3) by prescribing a minimum, people will be judged by important things such as knowledge, piety, kindness, etc... and not the size of their (fill in the blank). By the way, the awrah is different when you are around people of the same sex. For men it is the same (navel to knees), but for women it also becomes navel to knees. Now there will always be exceptions and there will always be different interpretations. Now please stop asking the question.

The hijab that many Muslims wear actually was taken from the virgin Mary, and based off her modesty.
If the men were dressed in normal swimming trunks then they were committing a sin. A man also has his own hijab, he cannot ever show his knee or above his knee to a man or a women he is not married to, he can also not show anywhere below his navel. Women only have to cover up more because they are far more beautiful then men, think of it as you would put a 10 million dollar diamond in a safe, but a gold chain in a drawer. It's just like how men can be outside shirtless but women cannot.

@The Anti-Alinsky

Because in Islam, if a man was defined as a piece of silver, women would be a diamond, much more beautiful then men. I wear hijab, it was 100% my choice, I was a convert so I was not born into Islam, I chose to cover my beauty for everyone but my husband, because I don't want to be oppressed and ogled by men who treat women as sexual objects.

Really KKK? You have never looked at a person and drawn conclusions based on their appearance? Really, you have never seen a person with long hair, earrings and a dress and never assumed they were a woman? You've never noticed someone with a beard and drew the conclusion they were a man? You never looked at Denzel Washington and realized he was black? Never knew Bruce Lee was Asian? If not then you are the dense one.

HOWEVER, I have never, ever drawn a conclusion on someone's intelligence, never thought of how good or bad a person is or any other decisions based simply on their appearance!

Stop the stupid insults and get a life.
Saul Alinsky's rule # 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
Get a different target. You couldn't hit this one with a canon!

anonymous, thank you for the clarification. You provided a very detailed and insightful explanation without getting insulting or stupid, unlike KKK.

However, why did were the women's (including young girls) heads covered, while the men's were not? While I don't think of the head as "intimate", what's good for the goose should be good for the gander.

Lyle, yes, it took many people to carry out the holocaust (probably more like several thousands), how was Christianity responsibility for it?

@Anti-Alinsky...The seeds of the holocaust are to be found beginning in the New Testament and Paul of Tarsus. Extreme antisemitism began with Martin Luther and persisted gaining impetus during the 19th century and early 20th century. It took millions to turn their heads away to allow this heinous crime to happen. It wasn't only the Jews, but Roma, homosexuals, political and religious dissidents, the mentally infirm and the handicapped. Uber nationalism gone rogue. Without 2000 years of Christianity, this couldn't have happened. This is a fact not myth.

Lyle, St. Paul was a Jew.

And while Jews were blamed for Christ's death and often persecuted, how many of the Holocaust perpetrators were practicing Christians?

I cannot fathom what caused the "millions to turn their heads away", but that is something they will have to answer to GOD when their time comes. Incidentally, prior to Hitler's rise to power, Jews were treated better in Germany than just about anywhere else.

Where is the worst anti-semantism coming from today? Not from Christians, especially in the United States.

@Anti-Alinsky....Yes, Saul was a Jew but ceased to be a Jew when he embraced Jesus as the messiah. No one knows precisely what is fact and what is myth. It is strictly an act of faith.

Germany was considered the most civilized nation in the world until the First World War. I agree that Jews were given full rights as citizens and had become assimilated into main stream German society. However, you see how long that lasted. Germany was considered a Christian nation and where were the Christians when Nazism took control? Why didn't the Pope Pius XII intervene?

As far as those who participated by ignoring the inhumanity perpetrated by the Nazi's being judged by G-d, that is a matter of faith. All I know is that around six million lost their lives in the most horrendous ways and the total war cost 50 million lives.

Lyle, just because St. Paul embraced Christ, it does not mean he stopped being a Jew. All the Christian leaders in Paul's time were Jewish. But not too get too far off the original statement, exactly how did St. Paul sow the seeds of Antisemitism that led to the Holocaust? All of Paul's messages were of Christ's love and that we needed to respond with love and obedience in return.

Your right as far as Christian leaders in the 30's and 40's not intervening into the Nazi's rise to power early enough, but the same can be said of secular leader's as well.

You are correct that for 2000 years Jews were treated unfairly and often persecuted for their religion by Christians. Which is ironic since the Messiah and most of the New Testament was written by Jewish leaders and scholars. I can not change the sins of the past, but can only change today and tomorrow.

@Anti-Alinsky....There was a clear separation between Jewish Christians of the Diaspora (Paul) and those in Judea. There is a 30 to 60 year period where the early Christians clearly separated themselves from Judaism because of the Jewish Rebellion. Paul and his followers became anti-Jewish out of survival to the Roman crackdown against Jews.. Check out first century history.

Lyle, while there was a separation between Paul and the early church leaders, the distinction was whether or not one needed to be Jewish before becoming a Christian. Because Jews were seen as the "odd duck' for only worshiping one GOD, many people who accepted Christ did not want to first become Jewish. It was Paul, despite being a life long Jew, that saw beyond Jewish limitations and opened up Christianity to all that would accept Christ as the Messiah.

You have invalidated your comment by citing "Atlas Shrugs" as a source.

@Brent Hunstad, Sr....Sir, I think you would find that many religious/cultural systems are much more than just a religion. As a Jew I understand well the cultural system that transcends beyond religious principles. Is Jewish law for everyone, of course not; neither is Sharia. Creating fear amongst those who are ignorant is completely unethical.

The history of Christianity is more horrible than other religion. In the name of Christ every deviant act has been committed. Southern white Christian churches were major supporters of Jim Crow and that only legally ended less than fifty years ago.

@JayZee....Sorry, but it's not just a Waukesha matter since it involves civil rights and constitutional guarantees.

"I for one stand along side Walid Shoebat and suppoirt him and his message of God and country. " Yeah, you're really brave, using some pseudonym in the Midwest.

Really? Walid Shoebat is one of the most courageous men you ever met? I hope you donate your welfare checks to him because he's milking you faster than the government.

You might wanna take a visit to the Capitol Rotunda to see Muhammad named by the Founding Fathers as one of the greatest law givers in history. Or, you might want to wonder why Christians have been living in Muslim lands for a THOUSAND YEARS if they supposedly have no freedom.

Yes, we do all really need to learn about Islam, but not from haters.

KKK, Menes, Hammurabi, Moses, Solomon, Lycurgus, Solon, Draco, Confucius, and Augustus as well as many others are on that list as well. All of them are historical leaders that enforced the rule of law.

Remember the London and Glasgow bombings were done by doctors of the Muslim faith, so just because they have professional jobs doesn't mean they won't strap a bomb to themselves.

@AG - "just because they have professional jobs doesn't mean they won't strap a bomb to themselves."

Just because you're an inbred doesn't mean you won't strap a pencil to yourself thinking it's going to...never mind.

That the bombings were done by doctors is irrelevant. The cycle that we see is what is disturbing. Western countries manipulate the Middle East, invade the countries of the Middle East, and support ruthless dictators, and even supposed democracies to oppress the people of the Middle East resulting in many deaths, casualties of innocents many times over (all of which is against the teachings of Islam). Then there is a response such as 9/11 where innocent people are targeted to make a statement (which is also against the teachings of Islam). 3,000 innocents of all faiths are killed. Then we turn around and instead of improving our foreign policy, recognizing the defects in it, and correcting our mistakes, we turn around and attack two countries that just happen to be crucial to our oil supply, and end up causing 166 times the casualties in Iraqi children alone. What madness is this? And what will happen next at the hands on the father of one of those children who saw his entire family decimated by us and by the sanctions we placed on him. Would he be justified? The cycle is unending unless we are willing to look in the mirror and make effective, fair, respectable decisions.

@WP- It seems you think so highly of yourself over everyone else on this site while in reality you are making yourself look exactly like what you are calling everyone else.

If we looked at history you would also notice the US arming Bin Laden in attempts to prevent the USSR from placing a marxist in control which most of the citizens did not want. Now I'm not agreeing with the reasons for our involvement in some of the other wars but it is safe to say that going after Bin Laden was at least an attempt to fix what we messed up. Iraq i mostly agree with you on and even the gulf war Afghanistan however is a bit harder for me to swallow.

@AG
Christians bomb planned parent hoods, but no one calls then extremist for the actions of a few people

You are welcome, Imam.

So, I just looked up "Nuitari" and found this on Wikipedia:

"Nuitari, also known as the Devouring Dark, Nightreaver, and Ungod, represents the power of magic used for evil."

Seriously? You're calling them terrorists?

Seriously? Here is the first paragraph.

"With the big-name draw of Walid Shoebat, more than 200 people gathered at the WAUKESHA EXPO CENTER SATURDAY NIGHT to hear the message that Islam is a growing threat to law and peace in the United States."

You're definitely from Waukesha.

Deep Cincerns of Citizenary. Yes, only someone from Waukesha would use an imaginary dictionary to invent imaginary words.

Makes me wonder what you were really trying to spell with "walk the talk."

Maybe they didn't want to attend this shameful event. I wouldn't. I have better sources to learn about Islam, what it is, Shariah, etc... Better than a proven liar who spreads misinformation and gets paid handsomely for it. Don't you have a masjid nearby where you can talk to a Muslim to get the actual truth about what he believes, what they plan on doing with the masjid, what activities they plan on doing with the Brookfield community in the future...oh wait, you're the ones who want to shut it down, right.

Walid Shoebat is a proven liar (CNN), he never was a terrorist (CNN), and he profits greatly when he shares misinformation (CNN). He has been exposed and there is no doubt about that. If you are still referring to him as someone who is credible, or as you say "he knows better than anyone" then that speaks volumes about you. Talk to a Muslim. He will tell you how Islam is being misused by terrorists and at the same time actually tell you what Islam is. Are you going to ask a Jew about his faith or Hitler about the Jewish faith. It's as simple as that. It seems you have chosen Hitler.

Biased media sources give you false information.

I know Muslims, moderate, liberal, and Islamists. I engage them in discussion. I live in Tunisia, I am up to my ears in Islamic culture. I used to live with a conservative Muslim family in Morocco.

I also was a scholar in MENA studies, and I learned to look at credible sources (Fareed Zakaria is a great commentator, well-balanced and knows his stuff) and non credible sources (Huntington's the Clash of Civilizations long ago became a joke in the serious Islamic/MENA studies community).

militantislammonitor.org is not a credible source, and the fact you look at it completely takes away your credibility.

And no, just because I live among Muslims does not make me a Muslim, I don't believe in God on the terms religions lay out and never will.

But I respect the beliefs of humans, including (non-Fundamentalist) Muslims.

I also respect my constitution guaranteeing freedom of speech.

Do some real research and then present your case.

Damn, need to read before posting, I meant to write our Constitution guaranteeing freedom of religion. Although, yeah I support free speech too, obviously, which is your right, but the right of free speech comes with a responsibility that we seem to forget about.

Actually there are no contradictions if you look at context, when verses were revealed, and about whom they were revealed (e.g. The Roman army). But of course, your intentions would have to be sincere to actually pay attention to that and it is clear that you are hellbent on spreading misinformation.

Fuzznuts: Have you actually read the Quaran? What version? Jesus is actually named more times in the Quaran than Moehamad. Yes there are many contradictions and I would encourage you to become educated about the topic before you spout off. Be kind to others regardless of differences and also kill anyone who is not like you, is not a clear and distinct message from God.

The love of Jesus (PBUH) is oozing out of the Quran. You are correct about that. And that love is reflected in every Muslim you meet. Ask what Muslims think of Jesus (PBUH) and you will hear nothing but love, respect, anticipation of his return, and the blessings of his Prophethood. The term "kill the infidel" would make a nice T-shirt for a hatemonger, but if the entire verse and context is looked at, the hatemonger would slink away into the shadows once again. The problem is that ignorance exists on both sides, manipulators exist on both sides, bad people exist on both sides. Just like Christianity was (mis)used to exterminate Jews in Muslims in Spain and in the Holy Land and one time, today Islam is being (mis)used as well. But one just has to look at all the rules of military engagement listed in the Quran (last resort, peace supersedes war, no killing of innocents, to name a few) to know that those who are fighting "in the name of Islam" are not abiding by the teachings they profess to believe. A sort of hypocrisy, if you will. Shariah (the Path of God) is meant to be interpreted and applied like any law. Application changes with time. When Islam was growing in the 7th century, in a society where revenge, murder, and battles were a way of life and peace/mercy were seen as signs of weakness, the Prophet (PBUH) brought a message that emphasized mercy over revenge, peace over war, freedom of slaves over subjugation, social justice over domination of the rich.

Just because you hear something doesn't mean it's true, at first the whole female mutilation was required really freaked me out, so I looked into it. It's not true, that practice is a culture thing going back to the times of the Pharaohs, male circumcision is required in Islam, women circumcision is not.
http://www.jannah.org/genderequity/equityappendix.html

Aynon mouse- The female mutilation issue still exists today in Africa.

Dear Fuzz:
You seem to get it right!
To the others who are confused or have concerns or problem with those 'strangers in our mist': I have a very sincere advice to you all, but it will take courage and thinking out of the box. My advice is to have a few of you contact those 'strangers', sit down with them may be over a meal, and ask them about their belief, and ask them about all issues that are either confusing or may be considered unacceptable to you...Then and only then you can really make an honest decision... better yet I would invite their leader(s) to give a presentation to the community at large about who they are, what their belief system is and why do they want a place of worship in your community...And do you know what? That seems to be the fair thing to do..In America, we might not always do the right thing, but by golly we always get it right in the end...God bless!

Well, Mr Fuzz lets get a few things clear Hitler killed all the pastors in the churches that were against him and put pictures of himself up in he churches. You must be an idiot to think that Hitler was a christian how low is your intelligence to think that?
Once again most American Muslims I think want to live in peace and start a new life but once again it's the "Muslim Brotherhood" who will come knocking to destroy their peace and rest.

AG, thanks for commenting, but I am a little confused by where you are going with the Hitler comment. I never said he was a good Christian (obviously he would be the opposite of a good Christian). My point was that you would not go to someone who hates Jews to find out about their religion. I thought that was clear, but I'll mention it again. To clarify with another analogy, you wouldn't go to Custer to find out about American Indian beliefs. As far as the Muslim Brotherhood, the only time the Muslim Brotherhood ever enters my life is when people like you mention the organization in threads as if it is some kind of octopus with its tentacles reaching in to the corners of the world. They are a conservative political organization based in Egypt and our there are no American equivalents, but the tea party would come closest in most matters (especially religious conservatism). But they have nothing to do with the U.S. They have their own problems in Egypt they are trying to deal with. This would be an example of a subsection of Americans who are in constant paranoia about "the Islamic threat". Why don't you switch your attention to real threats versus imaginary ones. It's more satisfying and can actually accomplish something. I mean, how do you fight a threat that does not exist?

By the way, I wouldn't use the term "idiot" too freely. It begins to lose its meaning and value when you start applying it to mean "every one who doesn't agree with me." I mean that's a lot of people. Be more selective, like me ;o).

Well, we already live here in Brookfield, more people aren't coming, we're just building a house of worship for the people who are here. The mosque if I'm not mistaken will only hold 100 people tops for prayer (not saying 100 different cars but people), keep in mind our 'mass' is on friday, so that is when you'd see that many people. Otherwise it'd be far less not everyone goes to the Mosque everyday for community pray. I have also heard that the are making Calhoun Rd. into a two lane road.

You're refering to the German Lutheran Church and the Wesboro Baptist Church, right?

Hitler was a Christian.

Ah yes...the evil Italians and the sinister Japanese. Again, your lack of knowledge is disgusting at best.

@AG...That would include the Vatican.

Seriously? This is your concern? According to all these articles, their leaders are people who've been living here for more than a decade and work HERE. So where are they getting their funding from? Their own pockets. Think about that.

Well said. The reality is that as soon as an article appears regarding Islam either in a positive or negative light, the fear and bigotry follows close behind.

Nothinyahu, very little of what you mentioned was done in the name of Christianity. Of course there were exception, but today's Christians are much more compassionate than many of the zealots in the past.

The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki sped up the end of war in the Pacific. The estimated casualty rate on the Japanese home islands was in the MILLIONS. Despite being beaten back to their own islands, and having very few resources to fight, the Japanese were still a very formidable enemy. By the way, where did Christianity fit into the decision to bomb Hiroshima or Nagasaki?

MOST of the atrocities in Vietnam were carried out by the North Vietnamese and Viet-Cong. Communism is anti-religion, specifically anti-Christian, so how did you determine that slaughter should be blamed on Christians?

The Holocaust was carried out by a completely insane dictator by equally insane minions. Although many were brought up as Christians, any remains were gone by the time the Holocaust started. Explain to me how Christianity was at fault.

Christians make up a very small population in Palestine. All of the fighting is between Jews and Muslims.
The slaughter of Sudanese, Rwandans, Somalians, Afghans and Iraqis are carried out by their Muslim brothers.
How are Christians responsible for these?

Your point about African-American slaves and indigenous populations had some validity...150 YEARS AGO. And those were committed by people professing to be Christians. Organized churches had little or nothing to do with their tragedies.

Anti-Alinsky you make a very good point. What does Christianity have to do with modern day actions such as Hiroshima or Vietnam. In the same way, conflicts in the Middle East are about oppression, atrocities, committed by leaders and countries...it has nothing to do with religion. If anything, Islam states war is a last resort and states very clear principles of war regarding not harming innocents and exhausting all peaceful avenues before resorting to the brutality of war. If your enemy surrenders, you need to make peace quickly. If the enemy changes his mind and wants peace, you must accept that and cease fighting as long as the leader is sincere. The enemies have rights. The problem is not Islam. The problem is that people are not following Islam. Learn the facts before you speak (easy way to avoid ignorance).

This advice is so full of imagination. This could only have come from Pete. I remember you from your days working at Musicland. When your mom found out that The Dukes of Hazzard got canceled, she got so upset that she dropped you. Now, your advice is to bury a pig. You need Obamacare right away.

Because Muslims don't eat pork, you want to bury a pig on the proposed site. Hmm.

Nothinahu do you expend a great effort to be such an idiot or does it come natural for you?

Craig, you would know.

WhiteHoodRat:
Ooooohhh, intellectual humor...How long did you study to get such a perspective?

@Craig

Seriously? You called my humor "intellectual?" What, are you in 3rd grade (with your mom, by the way)?

White Power: It was a polite way of pointing out you are a dumbass. Your reply proves my point.

Sienna, there is no misunderstanding when somebody purposely sets out to kill you. 9/11 came about because Islamic extremists believed they would be rewarded with 72 virgins in heaven.

Most of the bigotry has been on the Muslim end of things. In a Muslim world non-believers are not citizens, they are subjects. Women are treated as commodity, and the Jew are the lowest form of humanity.

Dear The Anti-Alinsky, I'm thinking we'll open a house of worship in your honor and call it the Mullet Society of North America.

Actually, the main reason 9/11 happened, was because the U.S. was in Middle Eastern countries manipulating them and supporting oppressive regimes. It had very little to do with virgins. The act of 9/11 was a cowardly act against civilians (which makes it an action in contradiction to the teachings of Islam in the Quran). Unfortunately, our responses were even more cowardly. In Iraq alone we have killed 500,000 children. 1/2 a million children! How can you not feel a chill and that nauseous feeling in the back of your throat when you think of what we have done. God forgive us all.

Nothinyahu, can you name me the first women Prime Minster of Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait or Pakistan? How about the ratio of men to women in any of their parliaments?

What Muslim countries have you been stationed in? There are a actually quite a few countries that have a predominantly Muslim population, but don't have sharia laws because of the societal structure. The Ottoman Empire comes to mind. Prior to WWI, they were a Muslim led society. After they lost in WWI they changed their name to Turkey and based their government on a more Western style.

I am wondering how much time you spend outside "the green zone" when you were overseas since racism and bigotry are practices on a tribal level.

We coulda had a female VP last election!

Great example Greg. These same Liberals jumped all over Sarah Palin because of her Pentecostal beliefs. Makes you wonder who the real bigots are.

Correction. These "Liberals" jumped all over Sarah Palin because she was dense. Remember that Katie Couric video?

Knowing you @The Anti-Alinsky, you're gonna start quoting "Going Rogue" and pretend like she was some sort of victim.

White Power, she was vitimized. 18 Ethics violations filed against her as governor and not one bore any fruit.

Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals # 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.

And it still doesn't justify ridiculing her over her religion. You claim those that showed up are bigoted an intolerant, yet you pull the same crap without any shame.

Matthew 7:5 "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

And when was the last time anyone was put to death for adultery in a Western county? Or stoned for blasphemy?

And your quote from Matthew is way out of context. Jesus knew that while many would join his flock, many of their family members would continue the old self destructive ways and fight their choices. His point was that his followers need to stand their ground and maintain their belief in him. Many Christian based companies advance the belief of "God first, family second, work third".

@The Anti-Alinsky

So you're now claiming Jesus? And, how did Jesus's mom dress? Like that woman you saw in Wisconsin Dells.

What do you mean I am claiming Jesus? Are you asking if I am Christian, the answer is yes. Are you asking if I am an expert on Christ's teachings, then the answer is not as much as many, but obviously more than you since you keep quoting scripture out of context.

But that is typical Liberal tactics, and Sual Alinsky Rule # 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.

The problem is I will reply with what I know, and admit to what I don't. Unlike you who is willing to quote passage they think will help their case, but only shows their ingnorance of the matter.

Once again you have to go back a long time to pull up a counter point, about 2000 years. And how did the men in Jesus's time dress. Just as modest.

Which bring me back to the same question no one, including White Power, has answered. Why is a women's "ourah" from head to toe and a man's is between his waist and knees?

You are a Christian, and you behave this way? Not very Christ-like. You are a shame to the Church. It's because of vile, disgusting people like you that Christianity gets such a bad name. Jesus teaches us to open our arms to the world, and you preach hate. You are a disgusting human being.

Exactly where did I "Preach hate"?

I mean honestly, how on earth is it anyone's right to judge anyone based on their beliefs. Both Christians and Muslims included, just let the other person believe what they believe and deal with it. They will not change no matter how hard you try to make them so just leave them be.

You shouldn't. http://articles.cnn.com/2011-07-11/us/terrorism.expert_1_walid-shoebat-israeli-police-homeland-security?_s=PM:US

Everyone, please refrain from using the "f" word or I'll have to delete it. Thanks.

Way to take something way the fuck out of context bro. Too bad I can do the same thing to you. Taken directly from the good old King James Bible,
"Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death." Exodus 31:14-15.

So essentially if you've ever been called into work on a Sunday, going to work should result in you being killed by any bible-loving, god-fearing christian. Sucks to suck doesn't it man?

@dave yognaught Christians do not follow the Old Testament. What we acknowledge is that according to the Old Testament laws, we as sinners are under a death penalty.
The Good news of the Gospel is that Another has died in our place, so we being forgiven can be reconciled to God by faith, and live a new life, free from the power of sin, Satan and a corrupt world System.
1 "For I (Paul)do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
6 Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. 7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.” 8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. 9 We should not test Christ, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes. 10 And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.

@Dave yognaught
11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. 12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall! 13 No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.
I Corinthians 10:1-13
you don't know the meaning and the intent behind the words you quote, and you only select out passages that suit your agenda. That makes you not only ignorant, but a hypocrite

@mike

You say Christians do not follow the Old Testament? Well, that's wrong. So, let's look at the New Testament:

Make sure your wife/sister covers her hair after reading this line:

1 Corinthians 11:6: If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.

And, make sure I call the police after you start doing this line:

Mathew 10:34
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

@white power ,hahahha lol ,you are clown and obviously don't know any thing about the old or the new testament , i'm not gonna waste my time answer your idiotic questions

No mike, I just tore you apart. I know the Bible through and through. Been to Church more times than you.

That's why you're not responding. I called you out for the bigot that you are.

White Power (maybe should we just start calling him/her KKK) is still showing his ignorance with regard to Christianity. As I stated before, Jesus knew his message of tolerance and love would divide humanity, families and friends. Not because of what he was offering, but because of mankind's stubborness to give up hated and violence, vengence as well as many other sins. He knew his message would divide the world, not because of him, but because of ourselves.

Of course KKK will continue to quote scripture out of context for his own purposes. I expect nothing less from a Liberal zealot that can't use the truth to win an argument!

Sorry, The Anti-Alinsky, you claim to be preaching Jesus's message of love and tolerance, and almost all your posts above and below have been of hate. You're disgusting.

@mike Thanks for the response but you seem to have missed my point & actually wound up proving my point. As you said, "and you only select out passages that suit your agenda." That is exactly what lee did and I merely did the same thing except with a bit from the bible. My point was to show that you can take things out of context from the bible, throwing all meaning and intention to the side just to fit your agenda, much like numerous amounts of people do with the Quran.

The religious component is a "beard" for all other components. Seriously? Was that your idea of being poetic?

You quoted a blog as your evidence.

Emphasis on the last syllable. You are DENSE.

This is a video of the Shia practice of Ashura where to lament the death of Ali (may God be pleased with him), they hit themselves with chains and razors trying to emulate the pain he felt. This goes against the teachings of Islam (both Sunni and Shia) and the teachings of the Prophet (PBUH) for many reasons. One is that the act is self-mutilating and self mutilation is not accepted in Islam. I think there are better ways to remember Ali (MGBPWH) than bleeding in a public parking lot, but that's just me. Again, though, it has nothing to do with the teachings of the Prophet (PBUH) or the Quran or even Sunni Islam. It is a practice whose origins you would have to look up. Keep serving them up, and I'll keep knockin' 'em out of the park.

You quoted YouTube as your evidence.

Emphasis on the last syllable. You are DENSE.

@ white power THE HADITH ON APOSTASY
Bukhari’s Hadith Collection

Bukhari, volume 9, #17

"Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

Bukhari, volume 9, #57

Narrated Ikrima, "Some atheists were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade it, saying, "Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire)." I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

Bukhari, volume 9, #58

Narrated Abu Burda, "Abu Musa said.....Behold there was a fettered man beside Abu Musa. Muadh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Musa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Musa requested Muadh to sit down but Muadh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and his messenger," and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers .....

@ wgite power do you want me continue ?

@mike

Misquote all you want. What are you proving? That you can randomly misquote passages you know nothing about?

You won't be able to tell me what the following words mean without racing to Google: Hadith, Bukhari, Abdullah, Qisas, Ikrima, Abu, Burda, Musa, Muadh

Here are some more passages.

The Bible wants you to pluck out your eyes if you if don't like it: Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, PLUCK IT OUT and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

The Bible wants you to kill everyone in your family. Matthew 10:21 - And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

The Bible wants Violence. Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

The Bible wants you to kill everyone in your family. 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

The Bible wants you to amputate yourself if you don't like your limbs. Matthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

Should I continue?

More for you mike. These are from Luke.

The Bible wants you to maim non-believers: 1:20 And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.

The Bible also wants to send cut down all the trees and send them to hell, but we know "trees" are a metaphor for non-believers: 3:9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

The Bible endorses wiping out cities of people who do not believe. 10:10 But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say,
10:11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

The Bible says that God (God forbid) is like a slavemaster who beats his slaves. 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

There's still John, The Acts of the Apostles, Paul's Letters, and then...Revelations.

Don't try to pretend that you know anything about anything. You're a bigot.

Apparently KKK, oops I mean White Power, has only one come back.

@white power your biggest mistake you are quoting from the bible to someone who isn't even christian '' i'm an agnostic '' but i came from christian background so i know lot about all religions ,anyway i gotta go now but when i come back i will answer ALL your question ............................. you are funny clown :D

@mike - Oh, you're an agnostic now? And because you were once christians, you know all about all religions? Sorry, you're a liar. When you come back from Googling for responses, lemme know.

@The Anti-Alinsky - Yes, I have only one response: I call out stupid, vile, bigotry when I see it. You haven't been able to respond a single one of my posts, as we see. And just as a reminder, you said a very vile, racist point about African-Americans above.

Ah yes KKK, let's look at some of your clever posts that I have not been able to respond to:

"Then, I realized that you were using your edumacation to spell "Time Done.""

"Gosh, you're an idiot."

"And, you're probably wondering if "White Power" is my real name. You can look it up in the phonebook. Actually, no you probably can't."

"You assumed? That's the definition of bigotry."

"When you were secretly looking in your mom's (i.e. sister's) bedroom, did you not notice that she has a different anatomy?"

"Gosh, you're dense. You're a dense bigot, and you can't even admit it to yourself."

"Dear The Anti-Alinsky, I'm thinking we'll open a house of worship in your honor and call it the Mullet Society of North America."

"I hope you donate your welfare checks to him because he's milking you faster than the government."

"Just because you're an inbred doesn't mean you won't strap a pencil to yourself thinking it's going to...never mind."

"Yes, only someone from Waukesha would use an imaginary dictionary to invent imaginary words."
(This from the guy who used "edumacation" in the first quote)

to continue:

"I hope Led Zeppelin converts to Islam. Not sure if I'm using the proper verb form. At least, unlike these inbreeds who follow some phony "former-terrorist," I care about the English language. "

"Why would anyone live in Waukesha, knowing that your neighbor's parents are siblings?"

"I remember you from your days working at Musicland. When your mom found out that The Dukes of Hazzard got canceled, she got so upset that she dropped you."

"Craig, you would know."

"Seriously? You called my humor "intellectual?" What, are you in 3rd grade (with your mom, by the way)?"

"These "Liberals" jumped all over Sarah Palin because she was dense. "

"You are a shame to the Church. It's because of vile, disgusting people like you that Christianity gets such a bad name. Jesus teaches us to open our arms to the world, and you preach hate. You are a disgusting human being."

I'm sure your fellow Liberals are proud to follow your lead.

DEATH...

Death is the punishment for apostasy in islam

Lee is still quoting YouTube as evidence. YouTube.

Again, a blog.

LOL 7-11 really? No pun intended I am sure.
How many square feet of space is dedicated to explosive vest making?

I didn't know people pray five times a day at 7-11 or at Brewers/Cubs games. Go back to Chicago.

Actually, judging by their records, maybe they should pray five times a day at Brewers/Cubs games.

@Craig - The answer to your question is zero. Now go home and finish cooking that possum we're gonna have for dinner.

White Power: My comment was said tongue in cheek. I am not a hateful person, but I have a reputation for injecting humor in uncomfortable situations.
Those who know me from my posts would generally agree I am not a bigot.
Regarding that opossum for dinner- I would not eat anything that hangs out in the graveyards just waiting to dig me up and dine on me.

Son, that website seems to list every single Muslim in the world as a Militant Islam.

Lee this isn't infiltration, and this isn't the establishment of Sha'ria. This is the First Amendment right guaranteed to all. The fact this is even an issue in this era shows how far we've gotten from our founding principles.

And no offense, I don't know how much credibility you have. Have you talked to a Muslim in the past week? How about an Islamist?

Because I have. And I have dialogues with them in my US Embassy funded space, where they talk freely...even the Islamists.

I have. And no, I'm not a Jidhadist sympathizer, nor am I a liberal. I'm just a patriot doing my duty by understanding and learning about other cultures that we are impacting and that are impacting us.

By not supporting their right to build a mosque, you are not supporting our Constitution. America was founded by immigrants, fleeing religious persecution, yet what are we doing now? Persecuting those we swore to protect.

Ignorance will destroy us, not a Mosque.

A bit too much late night TV or too much in the bowl!

Lee, I've been quiet for a few days because I thought most people were "getting it" and realizing that Islam is not the problem. Every faith has a portion that wants complete domination (there is a portion of the Bible belt that wants Christianity to dominate everything, Hindu extremists exterminated large portions of the Muslim population of Gujarat in India to facilitate Hindu domination, and yes, there is a portion of the Muslim population who probably wants to see Islam in every facet of life. BUT THEY STILL CANNOT INFILTRATE THE CONSTITUTION OR CONGRESS WITHOUT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. I don't understand how they will be able to control us? How did you go from establishing a community center/mosque in Brookfield to complete domination of the United States by a group that makes up 1% of the American landscape. Literally, even if every Muslim had some sinister plan to somehow introduce legislation that would benefit Muslims at the expense of everyone else, manage to either win a majority of the seats on congress or using a snake oil salesman technique manage to convince current Congressman to somehow pass legislation that leads to Muslim domination...this scenario is even too ridiculous to finish. And you are simply ridiculous. Keep talking and digging your own hole.

Well now this is a whole new meaning to Flame Wars!

@Lets get REAL...Reform Judaism is very accepting and support of LGBT. Not all monotheistic religions are as you depicted.

Well said. It's a question of being open-minded versus presenting youtube hate videos. There is no convincing in a public blog. Academic blogs have some learning, but public blogs are full of idiots. My role is to correct what idiots say because I don't want there to be any misinformation spreading to people who are willing to learn. I'm not out to convince closed minded people. Just to correct them.

More spin from you.

First and foremost, you were not illustrating how women are treated differently under Islam even in the US. You saw a group of people and assumed they were Muslim.

The defense you gave for this point about drawing conclusions was about a "If I saw a man with a dark complexion wearing a black panther uniform I would assume he would be black." Typical bigotry. I called you out on it. Now you're trying to cover your tracks by talking about Denzel Washington and Bruce Lee. You've already been outed as a bigot.

"As for the name calling, I will follow my father's advice and just walk away from stupid."

You're calling me "KKK" and apparently you're the one suffering from the name calling. Again, a hypocrite.

On the contrary, I responded repeatedly, and you responded by accusing me of being a liberal.

Seriously? Again racing with the defense of Palin? Again ignoring the statements made against Muslims? Yes, just like those of your ilk, you repeatedly claim to be ridiculed, after having called me KKK. Yes. Go on kissing the behinds of Beck, Steyn, Malkin, and the rest.

Hypocrite.

@Kayla...What I have found is that Christians are generally ignorant of both your religion and culture and mine, Judaism. They don't understand that Islam and Judaism are cousins and Abraham is our common ancestor. We have a common understanding that Allah and YHVH are one and the same. For the majority of history, Muslims and Jews have been able to peacefully live together. That has not been the case with Muslims and Christians and Jews and Christians. Both our people have been subjected to Christian intolerance. Even today with the conflict over Palestine and Israel, we have more in common than differences. My children have bonded with many Muslims to find find long term solutions to our differences. I stand with Muslims and support your free exercise of your religion and culture.

@Joseph - Seriously? Those are your sources? So, just to be clear, you are preaching hate.

@Joseph, you want to know about Islam? Talk to Muslims & actually read the Koran.

Jesus Christ you people really are hopeless.

1) Lee check your facts: Iran has dozens of Churches & Synagogues. No, Saudi doesn't officially allow open practice of religion (whatever, they're a bunch of dicks, ask any non-Gulf Arab their opinion of Saudis and their establishment of "religious law").

We have a responsibility to be tolerant and accept others. We have the First Amendment. I don't know how many times you guys have to overlook this. It doesn't matter in other countries what their practices are, what matters is how WE behave...

But the more I read these things, the more I realize the truth isn't important, nor is the Constitution.

The most important thing is perpetuating stereotypes, racism, and fear of change.

Kayla
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@Lila, do YOUR research.

Lila (and Lee for that matter), I'd like to know your responses to these questions:

1) How many Muslims do you actually know?
2) Have you ever lived in a Muslim country?
3) Have you ever lived with a Muslim family?
4) Have you actually ever been to a mosque?
5) Have you actually ever studied Islam/Middle Eastern studies in a scholarly setting?

What you are saying is hateful and completely UNAMERICAN. It is people like you who make me sick, you help create the problem and ultimately this hate rhetoric further undermines our own national security because this helps fuel the extremists.

The Irish Catholics who came to this country weren't welcomed, they were told there was no place for them here, African Americans have always been pushed aside, Jews were hated for a long time, and still are today.

Face it, we hate something different, but what you are saying is completely false, and you're abusing your right of free speech.

Lila do your research, then back it up.