I beheaded your Daddy and threw him in the lake. Scott Walker told me to do it.

You got to be kidding isn't that just typical of a radical Republican committ a crime then blame it on someone else. NOBODY IS MORE NEGATIVE THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. Having hoffa vote only confirms that people vote ideology against their fellow American and their own self interest. Hoffa you are clueless and a part of the problems in this country no solution out of that head.

Well Hoffa you would be surprised to know that NOONE AGREES WITH YOUR NONSENSE.

George Gipp was a Democrat.

Reagan was a senile old man, who thought he was playing an actor in a movie when he was president.

Its not a coincidence that government spending has exploded since the Reagan tax reforms. The Reagan Administration removed the income tax liability of millions of lower middle class americans, but didn't repeal their right to vote. That is terrible policy for 2 reasons. First, when you don't pay anything, you have very little incentive to say "no" to more government spending...after all, you aren't paying for it, so the rate of increase in government spending has skyrocketed during that same period, because they have consistently voted for anyone that promises them MORE

Yea, republicans don't attack do they?

HAHA the liberals are getting even more unhinged.......... LOL

@fiwiki -- You're perhaps forgetting that FICA, the poor man's tax since it begins on the first dollar of earned income, doubled in the early years of the Reagan administration. The 'surplus' created in the Social Security trust fund has been funding the government ever since, allowing for lower income tax rates across the board.

The government spending increases under Reagan were for military spending, which is not a giveaway to the poor.

WOW - is this honestly the best that the anti-conservative crowd can come up with?

Scott Walker has proven himself to be a tax-and-spend "conservative." Restructuring debt just like Doyle, only more so. $153 million in new interest payments over the next 20 years so he can claim he "has a surplus." Great.

Did taxpayers pay for the private router and email system set-up and fees, too?

Like the old Federalist Party, which died because it migrated from its core tenets. The Tea/ALEC/Koch Party is pushing the GOP in the same direction. GOP, fix your party!

@Bren -

We already discussed the refinancing in depth yesterday - it was a compromise to please those on your side. Your strategy of attempting to now use this against Walker is only fooling the low information voter, of which your side obviously preys upon. Otherwise, be honest about this situation in that Walker, unlike Doyle, has issued no new original debt obligations. Or admit that you'd rather see him make even deeper budget cuts and start en mass layoffs of state public employees.

You can't have it both ways without being hypocritical - someone of your intelligence must certainly realize this. Ergo, at this point, you're being disingenuous all for the sake of partisan politics. How far have you fallen exactly?

Mr. Hoffa, I think you are confusing the truth with what you want to be true. The facts about Scott Walker are out on the table and people need to decide, as has been written elsewhere, to "vote with the guy who has the criminal defense fund or not."

Since you haven't been here awhile, I have been asking how Walker could have gone from a deficit to a surplus, with no new cash windfalls like the mortgage settlement to sweeten the pot. Now we know. Again, it's not me being disingenuous, it's you falling behind the curve. And if the restructuring was a "compromise," wouldn't Walker have been crowing about bipartisan support? Wouldn't he have corrected Barrett when the restructuring "credit card" was exposed? Let's keep it real. $153 million in new interest expense real.

Yes, "my side" is outspending the Walker campaign 25:1 to saturate low information voters--oh wait. Nearly 18,000 public employees off the payroll through layoffs, early/forced retirements, and transfers to crony appointments. And the union stripping, etc., was supposed to balance the budget. Oh wait. Again, let's keep it real.

@Bren -

Who's debt is it that he's restructuring? It's not his own, so obviously, it's Doyle's, McCallum's, and Thompson's, correct?

If he wasn't restructuring it, then that would mean that he's paying it off, which would mean less money in the budget for things like state aid to public education and to pay the wages of state public employees, correct?

So, I guess what you are saying, even though you won't come out and say it, is that you would actually prefer Walker to make even deeper cuts to the budget and initiate en mass layoffs of state public employees, correct?

You can't have your cake and eat it too Bren!

Yes, there are new interest expenses. But the alternative would have upset your side even further, wouldn't it have? Also, Walker said that he will do his best to pay off the debt early to minimize those new interest expenses, which is possible if the state's economy is performing at expected levels. But with your side doing its damnedest to stand in the way of financial investment in the state, it's just going to further delay repaying that debt, isn't it? And finally, as I stated many time before, Walker is just refinancing previously acquired debt, having issued no new original debt obligations himself, correct?

If you're going to ask for honest here Bren, the least you could do is be honest yourself, yes?

Mr. Hoffa, you are displaying a surprising lack of clarity in understanding this issue. The prefix "re" translates (loosely) from Latin as a repetition or reversal. Hence, use of the term "re" structuring inherently is defined in this usage, whimsically enough, as a repetitive and a reversive action (i.e., backwards in assuming more interest debt, and a contradiction of Walker's claim to have not only balanced the budget but achieved a surplus).

This is all a far cry from the talking points that burble from Walker's mouth when the "on" button is switched (or perhaps activated by "The Clapper" or any professional-grade media device). Since Walker chose to run on a flamboyant campaign platform, he has created a higher level of expectation. As I have stated numerous times, he made his choices, now he must be accountable.

Not to criticize, Mr. Hoffa, but you seem a bit off your game since your hiatus! Or perhaps Scott Walker's antics are dampening your enthusiasm? I did warn you about the antics... ; )

@Bren -

Thanks for the lesson on the origination and meaning of the prefix 're,' but how exactly does any of your response either contradict or invalidate any of the points I've made above?

We've been over the cash vs GAAP accounting method argument repeatedly and I had thought that we beat that horse dead - apparently not. At least I'm willing to admit to the reality of the situation. Did Walker promise a GAAP balanced budget while campaigning - YES. Did Walker break that promise in his first biennial budget - YES. Why did Walker break his promise of a GAAP balanced budget - it was a compromise to avoid making even deeper cuts to the state discretionary budget and/or en mass layoffs of state public employees. He has stated that when the state's economy improves, he will indeed implement a GAAP balanced budget, hopefully in the next biennium.

Did Walker promise to hold the line on taxes - YES. Are most on the right pleased with Walker's performance on the promise of holding the line on taxes - YES. In holding the line on taxes, how could Walker repay previously accrued debt without making deeper cuts to the budget and/or engage in en mass state public employee layoffs - HE COULDN'T, as the money just isn't there and Doyle left other expenses that needed to be paid back immediately, like illegally raiding segregated funds and opening a tab with the state of Minnesota.

Is Walker performing within the spirit of his original promises in regard to the state budget - YES, especially by not originating any new debt obligations during his tenure, unlike his three predecessors, and especially Doyle.

These are the truths and facts of the situation. While you're entitled to your own opinion as to what he did, you're NOT entitled to your own facts.

To the contrary Bren - the time away heightened the enthusiasm factor due to all of the additional antics from the left/recall crowd :-)

@Bren -

Funny how you hold Walker accountable for his campaign promises, but not your own horse in the race, Barrett. 8 years ago, Barrett promised that if elected Mayor of Milwaukee, he would fix the MMSD so that it would no longer pollute Lake Michigan during heavy rainfalls, and thereby subjecting the city to a fine payable to the City of Chicago. 8 years later, and nothing has been done - where's the outrage Bren? In fact, not only has Barrett violated the letter of his promise, but by doing absolutely nothing in the last 8 years in regards to MMSD, he's also violated the spirit of that promise. And as memory serves, that promise was the cornerstone of Barrett's mayoral campaign. Incredible!

Hypocrisy is the battle cry of today's DPW!

Bren - see a doctor about your ALEC/Koch psychosis.

Bottom line, Mr. Hoffa, is that the debt restructuring "surplus" is just one in the growing series of misrepresentations and outright lies that is the Walker administration.

Concerning MMSD, work continues on the deep tunnel project. Here's a link to a graph indicating how overflow into Lake Michigan has been reduced by MMSD over time: http://www.mmsd.com/Overflow.aspx

If you would like to give Tom Barrett some credit for these declining numbers, that would be quite appropriate.

You have mentioned several times that restructuring kept Walker from making additional budget cuts and mass employee layoffs. However. Nearly 18,000 public workers have been transferred off the state payroll (the state budget called for 21,000+, but budget bomb 2.0 drops in July 2012). Under what circumstance would this employee diaspora not be considered "massive?" Not to mention, again, that it is the mendacity and misinformation that defines the Walker administration as much as his "dropping the bomb" and "divide and conquer" strategies against his own constituents. It is unacceptable and one way or the other (recall of Walker and/or rubber-stamping state senators), it must not continue.

Ima Hippee, your comments, in addition to your fiendishly clever username, never fail to amuse, dazzle, amaze, and delight.Thank you.

@Bren -

That roller coaster of a chart doesn't show any real consistent improvement over time since 1994 for the outlay of capital involved, does it? And 1994 was before Barrett took office, wasn't it? What happened in 2008 and 2010?

If a half-assed solution is what Barrett was promising 8 years ago, I'm not even sure that he delivered on that. Chicago has a metro population 8 times the size of the City of Milwaukee, and yet doesn't have this kind of problem. If these are the best results Barrett can produce 8 years after the fact, it will take him 24 years just to contain the state's budget deficit! You were so concerned about the environment and contamination to drinking water during the standoff regarding the mining legislation, but for some reason or another, you're not all up in arms about Barrett's Milwaukee getting their act together and fixing this problem once and for all. Very peculiar double standard Bren. Are people that get their drinking water from the Lake less worthy of environmental protections than those who get their drinking water from a well?

At Barrett's rate of fixing environmental problems, there won't be an environment left to protect once he achieves a singular goal, that is of course if he'll ever actually perform on this promise! Is that really the kind of leadership that you'll be voting for on June 5th? If it looks like a failure, smells like a failure, ….

he raised taxes a few times as well. how todays republicans can think he's the best they ever had - oops sorry - maybe he is.

That's because you don't understand a man of principles, Liberals have none, they are so low they have to look up to see down.

Alzheimers AND Nancy

Un - B - so, um, you are attacking someone for having Alzheimers? Weak, very weak. I thought liberals were tolerant, understanding and caring. Bad karma on you.

Dora - you must meet Un-B - you both making fun - or bullying? Making fun of someone with alzheimers?

Ima Hippee, if you carefully read the posts, no one is making fun of Alzheimer's patients. Only you seem to be trying to link Alzheimer's with "fun" or "bullying."

Relatives who lived in the D.C. area during the Reagan era shared a number of the political (and other) rumors that continuously sweep through our nation's capitol. If they are to be believed, Reagan's Alzheimer symptoms were present from almost the beginning of his first term. Out of an 8-hour work day, Reagan "worked" about 5. He typically took a three-hour nap in the afternoon. His wife Nancy (former actress who majored in English and drama at Smith) apparently made quite a few political and hiring decisions because of her husband's growing infirmity (and which was resented by a number of WH staff).

As governor of California I believe Reagan proposed what's been described as the largest tax hike proposed by any governor in U.S. history (c. 1967). He raised the top income rate. He raised sales tax. Cigarette tax. Alcohol tax. Bank/corporate tax rate. Inheritance tax rate. He inherited a deficit from his predecessor and realized that program cuts alone weren't going to fix the problem.

So why the about-face? I would surmise that due to his illness, Reagan relied on his wife (who used an astrologer), and appointees. How many of the decisions made were his, and how many were theirs?

WHere's Mama Girdles this month?

@Rob-Come to Gorney Park this coming Saturday 10am and see ignored citizens for responsible Government are. Come join us there Rob!!

As long as the Koch brothers and the billionaire boys club keep throwing money at it, the Tea/ALEC GOP will be with us, fake news sites, pointless bus tours, media blitzes, prurient legislation, and all. Sigh.

@Bren -

"fake news sites, pointless bus tours, media blitzes, prurient legislation, and all."

And the left doesn't do this exact same thing? Let's run through the list, shall we:

Fake News Sites - HuffPost, just to name one example of countless. We already know that you frequent the Daily Kos.

Pointless Bus Tours - Taking Back Wisconsin Bus Tour, Obama's Jobs bus tour (the one he used Canadian built busses for while advocating for made in the USA), etc….

Media Blitzes - just turn on the TV and tune to MSNBC, Current, RT, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, HLN, etc and/or open your mail box and/or listen to any radio station, etc.….

Prurient Legislation - Obamacare, Great Society, etc……

So, what exactly is your point here?

Actually Joe, It was Samuel Johnson, and it was in reference to FALSe patriotism, kind of what the Democrats have practiced since 9/11.

Kate is spot on!!

Kate ‏@katerlouise

RT @djpain1 I don't see how voters can be undecided. You either vote for or against the guy with the team of criminal lawyers. #WIRecall

Seriously? It wasn't Nixon? I thought that Reagan let that one Colonel and his secretary take the entire fall for the whole thing.

Obama has also been a great President and Clinton was also a great President actually in mentioning Jimmy Carter he might not of been perfect but he didn't cause near the damage to this country and its people as Bushy Boy. So you see there are and were good Presidents in BOTH parties but fools like Rhonda try to pretend that all the bad things these president have done only apply to Democrats. Well Rhonda carry on in your fantasy world some day you might just wake up and face facts instead of buying into hatred, lies and distortion and pretending that somehow that will benefit you.

Sorry Rhonda but Reagan was the worst President we've ever had, even worse than Bush. His trickle down economic theory was the beginning of the problems we have today.

@OK Dem -

Watching a little too much Michael Moore aren't we? The worst President ever, by a substantially large margin, was John F. Kennedy. Personally, I would put Reagan somewhere in the top 15. Meanwhile, Clinton and Obama belong somewhere in the bottom 15. But keep on drinking the koolaide!

Mimi, at first I thought you were just a little delusional but after reading your last comment I think you are completely nuts and need to be institutionalized. Carter wasn't as bad as Bush? You mean when we had 18% interest home loans, crazy inflation, Iranian hostage situation and the list goes on and on. If you are trying to lay the recession at Bush's doorstep then you really have no business commenting at all. Check some facts on who wanted everyone to own a home (even those that shouldn't) and coerced banks into easier lending practices? It happened in 1998, just to give you a hint.

Actually James R, many polls put Reagan in the top ten. Personally I put him in the 3, 4 or 5 spot.

That's funny Mimi, "Jimmy Carter...didn't cause near the damage to this country and its people as Bushy Boy." Those same polls I mentioned above put Bush 41 above Carter. And Carter has time on his side, his administration has had over thirty years of post game analysis and he is still considered a wienie.

It is people like Rhonda Blair that is so consumed with hatred for her fellow American she doesn't even realize that she has been duped. I feel sorry for you Rhonda

Yes Mimi
Rhonda has been duped and continues to spread lies. Like her Master Walker, she has no soul.

@Mimi & morninmist -

Now Walker has no soul. And yet, it's Walker supporters that are supposedly "consumed with hate" for their fellow Americans and have "been duped and continue to spread lies." Who is it again that is supposedly dividing our state? You may want to look in the mirror when answer that question.

Well, I guess when you've exhausted making up negative facts about Walker, immature emotional personal attacks, such as this, is all your side ever really had to begin with. At least you're showing your true colors!

James R, they are so concited and so convinced that they are right it is obvious that they have never listened to Matthew 7:3:
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"

Link please

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/dnc-chair-downplays-wisconsin-recall-election-20120527

I just love it when the Republicans have to go so far back to find a President shipping over the most recent on for obvious reason. Obama not only has respect from liberals, but he also enjoy respect from the moderate Republicans, the Independents, latinos, everyone really except rich white guys. Even our relationships in other countries has improved by leaps and bounds under Obama. So Nuitari just keep saying the same lies over and over cause the only people that are buying your nonsense are you and your dellusional fans.

Absolutely. Dubya doesn't deserve and won't get any respect in our lifetime.

odd remark, @Nuitari: to this lifelong Republican, it seems as tho' only a racist would not have great respect for this sitting President

No thinking person respects Reagan.

So you think the country has more respect for a dead Re
Regan then a live Obama....not me SGM(Ret. SGM). Obama for me represent hope, the future kid/grandkidsI still have a chance with our current CAC.

Hahahahaha Obama is a complete failure. You all talk about Walker dividing a State, well Obama has divided this entire nation with his Hope and Change

Playing the race card now, Nick?

For a guy who bemoans the tone of conversation around here, you don't mind playing the part of gutter snake yourself when the opportunity arises - do you?

"Even our relationships in other countries has improved by leaps and bounds under Obama."

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That's not necessarily an opinion shared outside the US. You may want to spend some time listening to BBC for a more impartial view of Obama and the impression he's made in the international arena.

Have you ever been out of the country, Bob? People in Europe laughed at Dubya and always expressed sympathy when they found out I was an American.

Yes, Max, I understand people disliked Bush. From a historical aspect, your anecdotal experiences are interesting I suppose. And yeah I've been out of the country.

I'm still sticking with what I hear from international sources, currently, regarding Obama. Stating that our relationships with other countries have improved by leaps and bounds under Obama is an exageration - to put it mildly. If you want a more balanced, less partisan viewpoint in either direction, it pays to get it from a source outside the current environment of partisan nonsense.

@Nick Poulos -

"to this lifelong Republican, it seems as tho' only a racist would not have great respect for this sitting President"

Only the desperate would resort to such a tactic as race baiting. There are plenty of reasons to "not have great respect for this sitting President," the least of which involves any kind of racism. You claim to be a thinking man, but in reality you're so convinced of your own intellectual superiority that you don't even see or recognize the other side of the coin anymore. To you, the illusion has become reality. Keep on drinking the koolaide Nick. But please, stop pretending to be some kind of intellectual, as John Tesh offers us more intelligence for our lives than you ever have here on Patch!

Typical conservative response. In the years since Reagan took office, average worker pay has flatlined while CEO pay has mushroomed. And that's for those workers lucky enough to have a job.

It shall be my honor to serve you, Master. My first step will be to point out that an educated person uses commas when addressing a person directly, Alfred. See what I mean?

No, just the ones who are jerks about it.

Randy I agree with you, these so called conservatives don't know the difference between honest earnngs and explotation, they don't feel they should contribute to the success of the country they got theirs so you should get yours no matter who you have to keep down to get it. You see the so called conservatives change the meaning of conservatism as needed. Being greedy Alfred and exploiting those less fortunate for your personal gain is not only unchristain, but down right evil.

Corporations and privatization will rule WI if the TeaParty Repugs are not voted out of office.

Walker DNR Appointee Sought to Privatize Trout Streams

...........Things have changed since 2004. Under Walker, citizen input on environmental regulation has been greatly reduced. Act 21 neutered the Conservation Congress. Meanwhile, the power and influence of radical ideology and of out of state lobbyists has grown. As shown in the debate over the ferrous mining bill, even likely Constitutional challenges do not deter the Walker administration from pushing legislation that support his privatization schemes. Given Walker’s passion for privatization, it is not at all unlikely that Gunderson’s redefinition of navigable waters will reemerge on the Walker administration agenda.

This time around, the fisherman are likely to lose.

Walker the outdoorsman posing for cameras during the opening of the 2012 fishing season. Later that day he learned how to hold a fishing rod.

http://wcmcoop.com/members/walker-dnr-appointee-sought-to-privatize-trout-streams/

@Morn-What you describe is the Obama Administration to a tee!!!

Nick - still dealing with your unresolved racial guilt?

Wi about to go from red to blue. Now the teachers and firefighters can go back to work, state employees can get back pay due them, and the state can celebrate the ouster of a tyrant.

Romnensia. All republicans have it. Selective memory.

@Rhonda-Totally agree!! Its really a lost cause to try and have a common sense debate with these people. Obama being the food stamp president, of course they are going to defend him to the end. Thus the reason they do not like Walker, because he is cleaning up and forcing people to stop abusing the system!!!!

@Morn-I really have to wonder if you have Christian Values or something other? Because you are very good at degrading people who do not follow your ideology. Its your way or no way!! Not a poster child for Christian Values for sure

Patriot

7:35 am on Tuesday, May 29, 2012
@Patriot
Did you even bother to read and comprehend what was being said in that article? About how the school was being run? About how the kids were being treated? And you dare to lecture me on "Christian values"!!

http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/rule-changes-allow-troubled-voucher-school-to-operate-6c5igov-155182395.html
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@Morn-I really have to wonder if you have Christian Values or something other? Because you are very good at degrading people who do not follow your ideology. Its your way or no way!! Not a poster child for Christian Values for sure

Morninmist:

According to your article, the school was kicked out of the voucher program. It seems that there actually was some accountability...

@Morn-U live on a pedastal that towers above everyone else. Does not seem very Christian to me!!!

Enjoy

Editorial Cartoon: Supporting Walker
http://www.ashlandcurrent.com/image/12/05/29/editorial-cartoon-supporting-walker #recallwalker #wiunion

Deeply flawed? Come on Kief, when will you pay back all of those 'coop fees' you swindled from little old ladies on the east side for your failed 'coop bookstore'? Come on you failed business man, comb over the last remaining hairs on your oversized head and tell us how you are going to pay back the $35,000 you stole from the Village of Shorewood! come on Kief!

At least he is not theif!!!

Sorry Keith -

But when you throw stones, such as you constantly do, you have to expect to get some thrown back at you!

BTW - I hope you're getting my $50 ready, as it's only one week until Walker crushes Barrett even worse than he did last time out!

I certainly hope that Keif takes that fiddy and gives it to some of the folks he scammed. Just saying.

How do we get DPI to cut off MPS for their failures?

Also Cow...
Here is Walker's "accountability" style --He was afraid of bad press if he and his buddies got caught again.

TheNewDeal ‏@TheNewDeal

"We can't afford another story like this one," - Scott Walker Email to Aide on #JohnDoe Scandal http://bit.ly/Klb8Re #WIunion #WIrecall #p2

"But Fuller said there had been some concern as to whether the institute was going to keep operating, and so recent legislation signed by Gov. Scott Walker allowed new voucher schools to seek pre-accreditation from other entities..."

Sounds like Walker was doing the right thing--if the only group approved for awarding accreditation isn't going to be in operation, doesn't it make sense to allow other groups to take their place?

@Morn-How is the air up there?

Hmmm... let's compare methodologies, shall we?

Doyle's system: One gate-keeper for approving accreditation.

Walker's system: Multiple entities involved in approving accreditation.

Hasn't history proven that when you vest absolute power in the hands of a single entity, that such an entity is more prone to corruption, favoritism, preferential treatment, etc.? Competition helps keep things fair for the greater good, or at least that's the argument for anti-monopoly legislation. Now all of a sudden, the lefties are against this concept?

morninmist - your hypocrisy truly knows no bounds, does it?

Gee, then Milwaukee County Executive Scott Walker warns his staff about not using government time and resources for campaign work, then reiterates how it can back fire. Let's just ship him off to a Gulag right now.

Seriously morninmist, you want to attack Governor Walker for doing his job???
This isn't sticking any better than the other made up mud you've been throwing!

AND..., even if you could make an argument that this was used in the spirit of campaigning, Why haven't you done the same for the real violations committed by Kris Barrett?

Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E?

My point was that the school (unlike MPS) is being held accountable.

@Cow..

My point is that if there would not have been LAX Walker NEW rules this dangerous school would not have opened in the first place. The article is about the dangerous charter school. Changing the subject as you did is a WalkerRovianRepublican trick!!

Hmmm. And Scott Walker wants to kick families off Badgercare if there's health insurance, no matter how inferior, provided by the employer. So it's okay for the taxpayers to pay for the private education of fairly well-off kids through vouchers and 'school choice', but we don't extend the same thing to medical care?

Taxpayers pay for public education of 'fairly well-off kids' already. Shouldn't our tax dollars be working to get everyone the best education possible?

Trickle-down does not work. You just put it very succinctly. I wish Patch had the ability to fan the way HuffPo does.

Trickled down, supply side economics works perfectly, it has created more new millionaires than human civilization has ever witnessed. Randy just because you were one of the losers in the game of life doesnt mean that you will always be a loser, man up, grow a pair and do like the rest of us and be successful. Unless that is you enjoy wallowing in your filth with the rest of the always wanting, miserably poor liberals.

Meet Alfred Kell, who has nothing in the way of reasoning or facts, so he'll go for the personal attack every time. And now he adds personal cleanliness insults to the usual ones about manhood.

Alfred, we all go into the next world as naked and devoid of property as when we entered this one. We'll see who's the loser at life when I meet you at the Camel's Eye.

Randy, I wouldn't count on seeing the pearly gates too soon if you continue to advocate and participate in the theft and confiscation of other peoples property. Your envy and jealously of those who have is quite obvious, coveting others goods is a serious sin, you must repent, clean yourself off and live a clean life.

What was the national unemployment rate under Reagan's tenure again?

@Alfred-Your really full of yourself!!! It seems that is exactly what Obama is doing? With his redistribution of wealth. He thinks everybody should be equal regardless of wether they worked for it or not. Sounds like socialism to me.

@Tosa720 -

"There are already far too many who thought they were living the American Dream who lost their homes, their "fortunes",and all that was left of their dignity"

You may want to take a break from fantasy and join the rest of us in reality for a while. The only people that I know of who lost their homes never had any sort of financial "fortunes" to speak of in the first place - it was all built on cheap credit and leveraged to the hilt like some piss poor South American county! But I guess that's the difference between the right and left - the left considers cheap credit as constituting entitled to "fortunes," while the right considers credit to be a liability only to be utilized when absolutely necessary.

You are so correct. WEA Trust overcharging the taxpayers 20% for health insurance is political. We should have the heads of any politician that allowed this theft to continue. Nothing helps the kids in the classroom like a well funded union.

Unions are against Republicans for political reasons. It has nothing to do with balancing the budget or improving schools, and EVERYONE KNOWS IT!

And Gov Walker was only concerned about getting caught again--Not that something unethical and illegal was going on!

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TheNewDeal ‏@TheNewDeal

"We can't afford another story like this one," - Scott Walker Email to Aide on #JohnDoe Scandal http://bit.ly/Klb8Re #WIunion #WIrecall #p2

@Tosa720 -- I think it's very important that those on our side refrain from overkill in our criticism of Scott Walker so as not to lose credibility. So I think it's best we leave Brian Pierick out of it. Scott Walker had no control over what Tim Russell's partner did in his private life. And while 'child sex enticement' may be technically accurate, he responded to a Craigslist ad by an individual who misrepresented his age. I won't defend his subsequent behavior, but it shouldn't be part of the discussion about Walker.

Isn't it already a bit too late for that, Randy? The 'overkill criticism' of Walker has been going on for over a year now...

The FBI is looking into Barrett's involvement in the Crime Statistic Scandal and his attacks on the MPD union through lower inforcement within the city. I guess we see now why the Milwaukee Police Association backed Governor Walker.
Barrett is a liar too.

Hey Walker and Barrett can be cell mates then. Since Barrett illegally covered up the violent crimes in his city to make himself look good. Except Barrett has the FBI investigating his little scheme!!!
We Have Assumed Control!! We have assumed control!!! We have assumed control!! Damn I LOVE that album

You may want to revise your quote to say "how to buy a RECALL election", the democrats already know how to buy a regular election. Different rules apply here and Governor Walker is playing by them. The recall, aka. Union Tantrum, is a negative action and Barrett has played into this quite well.

Success to some is as simple as a proof read post.

@Alfred -- the taxes can either come from millions of lower and middle-class workers or they can come from a relative few one-percenters. What we see is the one-percenters sucking the wealth from the bottom and then complaining about having that wealth taxed. But I'm pretty sure you know that.

And congrats to you for coming from nothing at all and amassing a million -- which figure isn't all that hard to reach with a nice house and a business. I just have my doubts about the 'nothing' part of it. I think the taxpayers footed the bill for you to learn to read and write.

As we conservatives repeat ad naseum, lower and middle class folks don't pay any federal or state taxes, they do pay SS and sales tax(big whoop), but it is mostly a wash with the welfare induced EITC which is another way of taking from the producers. My advice to you is to stop listening to the likes of Barack Hussein Obama and Tom Backwards Barrett and following the successful republicans. See we republicans want everyone to be rich.

And as I keep telling you, you conservatives don't know what the *bleep* you're talking about. In terms of income, I'm barely middle class, and I pay several thousands of dollars in federal and state income tax every year. That is dwarfed by my property tax. As an empty-nester, I'm not eligible for the EITC.

So I should listen to you rather than my own lying personal experience? I guess Republicans want us all to check our brains at the door.

You pay thousands in taxes in federal and state? You lie.

Like North Korea, China ect!!!

@Alfred -- Calling me a liar is both rude and extreme. I do not lie. Over three thousand dollars in federal and state income tax combined for the year 2009. A little over two thousand for the year 2011. I realize that's peanuts compared to a Daddy Warbucks type such as yourself, but trust me, I paid it and I could have used it on other things.

Care to see copies of my tax returns? My long form birth certificate? DNA sample?

Your slow witted friend is still subject to the same constraints as the rest of us when it comes to contract law. If you alleging that he is incompetent, that would nullify any contract he signed. If he is simply a half wit, that is no excuse and he is subject to the terms and conditions of his mortgage agreement. I know how much you liberals like to blame the banks or real estate agents, but at the end of the day, your thick headed friend is to blame.

You answered the wrong post, Alfred. Now who's thick-headed?

Randy1949, you checked your brains at the door a long time ago. Your property taxes dwarf your income taxes? Unless your paying a crazy amount on property taxes I would say it's safe to assume you aren't paying much for income taxes and I wouldn't call you a role model for any of our younger generation. The difference between people like you (liberals) and people like me (fiscally conservative) is that I believe I create and fix my own problems. You on the other hand create your own problems but always blame someone else and want some one else to fix them.

Tosa720:

Using that way of thinking, you should be fearing indictments for Obama because of his association with Ayers and the Clintons. Birds of a feather...

I figured that. I just want to be completely honest. As for the 'birds of a feather' I criticize Walker for the fact that two of his appointees (Kavanaugh and Russell) embezzled money from the same charity. That says more about his judgement and his character than hiring people of alternate sexuality who did some dodgy things on the internet.

I agree with you about the perjury. He flat out denied his meeting with Diane Hendricks took place when questioned directly. But look for some semantic wiggling on that issue -- one that vies with Bill Clinton's definition of the word 'is'.

Hey one of you guys should tweet Graeme Zilenski, that sweaty lunatic missed the memo.

@Cowdung (quite a chosen name there)) : My statement: " If a person continuously associates with people that are devoid of any morality, or chooses them to be in their "inner circle", what does it say about their own judgment or morality? Walker has shown himself to be a liar and a perjurer.... he is worthy of the criticism". KEY WORDS: "continuously" and "chooses" - the two significant words that you seemed to gloss over. President Obama neither continuously associated with nor chose the individuals you mention to be part of his inner circle. Further, he has not been exposed as a perjurer. On the other hand, Walker has shown himself to be deserving of the criticism.

AND: @Hoffa: Just because you do not know of anyone with substantial amounts of money who lost out during this Bush created recession / depression, does not mean anything. that is your fantasy. It is obvious your experience is limited in this area. I do know of people who have suffered great losses and it was not due to cheap credit.

@Tosa720 -

Please then, enlighten us. How exactly did these people lose anything that was rightfully and solely theirs to begin with because of Bush's actions, through no fault of their own? And what exactly was it that they lost?

I wouldn't miss this explanation for all the tea in China!

@JRH -- I had an acquaintance who lost his house when, first, his job laid him off and, second, his unemployment checks were delayed by a crucial few months. I'm not sure how much equity he lost. My understanding is that he was talked into one of those mortgages that seemed cheap because the monthly payment was mostly interest.

This sort of loan was profitable for some people, judging by the way they were bundled and sold to third parties as investments. So, they got their monthly interest and their house back, eventually. My friend is no worse off than if he'd been paying rent all that time, but it isn't as if he'd rather not have been working and staying in his house.

Plenty of blame to go around about how these loans came to be and why they were given to some people who were poor prospects. But the people responsible for deregulating the financial markets during the Clinton and Bush administrations are the main culprits. We've been told for so long that deregulation is good for business.

"My understanding is that he was talked into one of those mortgages that seemed cheap because the monthly payment was mostly interest.
"
And your dunderheaded friend is not to blame at all?

@Randy1949 -

'Equity' in real estate is only perceived and based upon market value at the time of valuation. If there was a loan on the property, then your acquaintance never owned the home free and clear, as it was leveraged by debt.

Understanding the ramifications of a mortgage contract is not that difficult, common sensical for the most part, and is about more than just the monthly payment. If your acquaintance entered into a bad mortgage deal, how is that at all a fault of anyone else as opposed to your acquaintance? Do really advocate for governmental regulation that assumes that its citizenry is nothing more than a bunch of morons that are incapable of making sound and intelligent rationalizations and analysis for themselves? Come on - REALLY???

I too have a mortgage, but it's a reasonable one with fixed terms and interest/principle being paid down with every payment. I'm also currently making double payments to pay down the principle even faster, and thereby avoiding a lot of future interest expense. If I were to lose my job, I could easily cover my mortgage and living expenses by working a full and part time minimum wage job. And even during the Great Recession, there was never a lack of those kind of jobs being offered in the local newspapers, were there? It's what's called being personally and individually responsible for one's self in life.

Now then, if at some point I want a bigger or better house, I only go into such a prospect when I've built up enough of a financial cushion to do so with mostly cash or at least the same future safe guards and assurances in place. Makes sense, doesn't it? That's called living within one's means and not over extending one's self. But you're right, it's far easier to blame Clinton, Bush, and others for one's own poor choices or decisions.

The only thing you've demonstrated in your example is how someone's poor choices / decisions put themself in a dire situation. But I fail to see how anyone else was the cause, either direct or indirect, for your acquaintance's situation.

JRH -- I understand these things very well. It's why I don't buy on credit. I didn't buy on credit when it was the smart financial thing to do, back in the 1970s, and I surely don't do it now.

But the rest of the world doesn't seem to grasp that concept, and neither did my friend, who is just a nice, hard-working, not terribly bright guy who cleaned out buses for a living.

Good luck paying off your mortgage. I don't personally have one. You and I are more on the same page than you think.

@Randy1949 -

As far as your acquaintance goes, I'm sure he is a decent hard working guy. But it does sound like he got a little greedy by getting in over his head and beyond his means. I qualified for a mortgage 5 times the size of the one I actually ended up taking, because I wasn't greedy. Just imagine if everyone that got into trouble with real estate back in 2008 had budgeted the way I do. Do you think there would have been a problem then? And yet, there's nothing special about me, is there? I just employ logic, common sense, and complacency with my means to make decisions that benefit me. And why shouldn't someone benefit and be rewarded for making good decisions? Sure, I've turned left a few times in my life when I should have turned right, but during those blunders, I never once asked or expected the government to bail me out or remedy the situation for me.

Yeah, I know that you and I are very similar in the way that we live our respective lives. Our respectful disagreement comes from our differing views/answers on how to run our numerous levels of government. That's the great thing about real friendship - you can agree to disagree and still be friends!

Thanks for the well wishes on paying off the mortgage. It's a 30 year term, but I'm currently on schedule to have it fully paid off in 8 years. If something happens though, I have that built in-cushion upon which I could rely or I could liquidate and still come out ahead.

@JRH -- The only greed involved was with the realtor who sold him a $100K pit. The inflation of real estate prices is an issue all on its own. You seem to want to make it about 'poor choices' in life. The only poor choice he ever made was to be born a little shy in the brains department and to believe that he could live cheaper in his own dump by paying mortgage rather than rent. And then to get laid off.

I have known people who over-extended themselves on mortgages and I don't have much sympathy for them. But you have to realize there are decent people who got caught in this disaster too.

@Tosa720 -- My advice is to ignore Alfred, who I'm beginning to suspect is a brilliant troll for our side. I refuse to believe that anyone could be such an . . . the way he is.

If he's for real, he makes himself feel better by assuming anyone who doesn't agree with him is poor, filthy, effeminate (I think you might get a pass on that one) or a failure.

Well said Tosa and Randy. I would further advocate that "wealth" to me is what your friends, family and christian community think of you. Sure you can be a millionaire, so what. if you are not charitable and do not help others your life is meaningless to me. I own a healthcare clinic, am successful and don't brag about my money because I let my patients, my community and my church clergy brag about how charitable we are. Alfred, the big difference between Republicans and myself is that the Republicans would let the "bleeding and starving" man die. I would help them out at all costs. Walker has proven to me as an independent voter who did vote for him the first time that money is all that matters. By cutting Badgercare, robbing the federal foreclosure money shows what Walkers intent is and that is "dividing and conquoring". Money will not buy the people of this great state, showing leadership, compassion and integrity will. All characterisitcs Walker does not have.

Randy I am only repeating facts of your own life, if you chose to live and wallow in your filth that is certainly your choice, but if some of us want to succeed and be the best, please do not stop us.

@Mike-You are really an idiot What a generalized statement. To say that republics are not charitable is a total load of crap!!! I will help anyone that truely needs help period!!! Amazing at how superior u make yourself to be. Great Christian values. If I am not mistaking the Good Lord sees us all very equal not better than another just because our ideologies are different

Mike should lead by example and offer free health care to those who want it. What is the address of your clinic? I will start sending people over.

"the big difference between Republicans and myself is that the Republicans would let the "bleeding and starving" man die. I would help them out at all costs."
I guess I'd like to know why he is bleeding and starving.

In the story of the Good Samaritan, the lesson was that when we help those in need, we serve God. That's a good enough reason for me.

I believe there is a separation of Church and State that you liberals continually foam at the mouth about....Bren use your own check book for charity.

@Bren-As it is written in the good book. God helps those who help themselves!!

Mike, that is the most contrived diatribe I have ever read. I know you libs hate facts but check out the stats on who donates more. Since I'm guessing you won't take the time to look it up " -- Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227). Yea, you libs are the prime example of talk is cheap. Grab a newspaper and some facts next time.

@Tosa-U make me laugh. Thats it we Republicans want to throw all old people off the cliff, march all the mentally challenged to the showers oh and undereducated. Give me a break. All we want is fiscal responsibility, its time to stop sucking on the tax payer tit and if your capable of supporting yourself do so!!!

Patriot, I believe we're all waiting to hear Paul Ryan's explanation about what is supposed to happen to seniors when their Medicare voucher is exhausted for the year. The Great Recession has devastated the savings of many people. The next generation will be relying on Social Security and Medicare as no previous generation may have done, and these are the programs that the Tea/ALEC GOP want to gut. Paul Ryan has no need to worry as he has his sweet Congressional pension and bennies to look forward to--I want to know what the game plan is for everyone else. The only options I see are: 1) Taxpayers pick up the bill (probably at higher cost because of condition severity) or 2) Declining longevity statistics.

Whenever I think about the Paul Ryan Medicare plan, the euthanasia scene from Soylent Green always comes to mind. Why is that?

@Bren-And your side has had a solution? Give me a break Bren.

@Bren -

"Whenever I think about the Paul Ryan Medicare plan, the euthanasia scene from Soylent Green always comes to mind. Why is that?"

Probably because you don't seem to understand Ryan's Medicare plan. You conveniently ignore the fact that anyone who is a currently a 'senior,' or approaching senior status, wouldn't be at all effected by any of Ryan's proposed changes. And that's just scratching the surface of your misunderstandings of Ryan's plan.

Bren:

If the seniors cannot pay for Medicare using the voucher, then the system is indeed flawed. What makes you think that Medicare will not be affordable with Ryan's voucher?

The next generation will be relying on Social Security and Medicare as no previous generation may have done, that is why we need guys like Paul Ryan to lead these reforms and bring those programs back to a sustainable level.

Obviously, Alfred, with a capital gain of 0 there would be no tax. I have such fond memories of filling out Schedule D. You think you're the only person who understands these things?

@Tbone -

You may want to fact check your 'facts.' Or are you not using the consensus definition for the word 'facts?'

Tbone--that's fine for private sector unions, where the employees are paid by the company. It's NOT OK for public employee unions where the employee is paid by the tax-payer. We have saved over a $billion dollars.
www.reforms.wi.gov

Keith, I believe Tbone was referring to Right to Work, the price of Ms. Hendrick's support, which attacks private sector unions...Walker 2.0.

@Bren -

Right to work legislation does not attack private sector unions - it strengthens them. The private sector unions that exist in RTW states have a much more involved membership that actually elects competent leadership that has overwhelmingly adopted James Riddle Hoffa's strategy of treating the union/management relationship as a symbiotic one as opposed to a parasitical one. Unions in RTW states tend to be much stronger in solidarity than their closed shop state counterparts because they engage in self-regulation by getting rid of under-performing and/or incompetent members as opposed to protecting them.

The modern GOP wants to kill illegals? Wow, you libs have really gone crazy over trying to win this election. Desperation never got you a girlfriend and it won't win you a election either.

@Patriot

Oh yeah, perhaps Walker aka John Doe can get another bid for these folks!

America United ‏@Progress2day

RT John Doe looking into potential bid rigging in Milwaukee County http://elections.wispolitics.com/2012/05/ex-prosecutors-walker-can-be-more.html #wirecall

...A source in today's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel says that secret emails sent between Scott Walker and another close aide reveal a "bombshell" that could directly link Scott Walker to a bid-rigging scheme.

But instead of coming clean about his role in the criminal corruption investigation, Scott Walker decided to launch a new smear campaign against Tom Barrett and the brave men and women of Milwaukee law enforcement. It's desperate politics at it's worst.

http://elections.wispolitics.com/2012/05/ex-prosecutors-walker-can-be-more.html

Most interesting.

Tuesday, May 29, 2012
10:56 AM
Ex-prosecutors: Walker can be more forthcoming with John Doe information

Three former prosecutors today argued that Gov. Scott Walker is not prohibited from releasing emails and other information related to an ongoing John Doe investigation in Milwaukee County, charging that it's likely Walker's attorneys that are advising him to keep quiet about the probe.

"You certainly have a right to go out and defend your own reputation," former Kenosha Co. DA Bob Jambois told reporters in a conference call organized by the state Democratic Party.

Jambois said he would tell the governor to pursue the same course if he was representing him, but that "it's unlikely to me that the district attorney is advising Scott Walker not to say anything."

Frank Tuerkheimer, an emeritus law professor at the University of Wisconsin and former member of the Watergate prosecution staff, said reports today about the John Doe looking into potential bid rigging in Milwaukee County means the investigation has taken a turn of "an even more serious magnitude." ....

@Morn-When will you bleeding heart progressive libs accept personal responsibility? WOW!!!! Makes laugh so hard Im ROTFLMMFAO

"Right to Work baby all the way!!!!!"

"Right to Work for Less" attacks private sector unions, another strategy to de-fund the Democratic Party as it weakens/kills unions. The attached link cites the U.S. Department of Labor Statistics as follows: "The average worker in a right to work for less state earns roughly $5,333 a year less than a worker in free-bargaining states." The radical source linked is the private sector union of which my father has been a member since he returned from Korea in the 1950s, the International Union of Bricklayers and Allied Craftworkers. http://www.bacweb.org/legislative/righttowork/index.php

Who wants to make $5,333 less per year besides Patriot? Let's see a show of hands!

@Bren -

"The average worker in a right to work FOR LESS state earns roughly $5,333 a year less than a worker in free-bargaining states."

If the U.S. Department of Labor Statistics really said this, the part emphasized in the above quote from your comment, then I have no choice but to believe that Obama turned that department into a propaganda arm of his campaign. I'm guessing that you were just trying to be cleverly emphatic, so I'll let this one slide this time around :-)

@Bren-Minus union dues and BAMMMM the difference is basically nothing.

Patriot, Doyle had to borrow money late in his administration because of the Great Recession. If you check the graphs and links morninmist has provided you will get a sense of Wisconsin's recent history in this area. Walker didn't borrow more, but his restructuring will cost the state $153 million in interest fees. At this point I see little difference-the taxpayer is the loser.

How many repetitions does it take for saturation to begin? The experts say 7 but Patch is a special place. Public employees have compensation packages negotiated by their union. Pay + benefits. Private sector employees have compensation packages negotiated individually with their employer or through their private sector union. Pay + benefits. Public sector employees have a state pension fund, which has "0" liability. Scott Walker asked public employees to pay more for their "0" liability pension, and for their benefits, representing about 9% of take-home pay. This was on top of the 16 furlough days imposed on state employees late in the Doyle administration. Let's stop the fiction that public employees were living large at taxpayer expense. If you can read this comment, thank a teacher.

@Bren -

I see that you're getting a little more honest about the situation - good for you, I knew you could do it!

"At this point I see little difference-the taxpayer is the loser."

First off, the difference is HUGE! Second, you're right - the taxpayer is still the loser. So does that mean that you would support making even deeper cuts to the budget and/or en mass layoffs of state public sector workers? Because raising taxes is not a valid option at this point - as the strong consensus voice of the people has spoken to the effect that we are indeed taxed enough already, especially in this state!

So Bren, what's the solution being offered from your horse in the race? Because Barrett had a chance to lay it all out there during the debate, but instead he chose to attack and criticize while saying very little of specific substance other than he'll be a "different kind of leader." What does that mean? How will he approach the state's budget situation any differently than Walker? What would he do about the previously acquired debt obligations? Why don't you want to know the answers to these questions if he's your candidate?

Choosing a candidate without even knowing their positions on issues such as these seems awfully irresponsible for a so-called well informed voter to do, isn't it? At least Trivedi has a position, but you're not willing to look at him, are you? Sad day for our republic, isn't it Bren?

@Bren-Well when I went to school we had teachers!! Not these young progressive liberals who feel they are entitled to something more than the next person. Teachers were teachers when I was in school not like many of these teachers who are there for the pay check and benefits.

@Patriot

As Ronny R. would say --There you go again (harping about someone's Christian ethics ) But it is your son of a preacher man that has questionable "Christian" ethics.!! stay tuned.

http://www.wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=271075
5/29/2012

WPPA Asks Dane County District Attorney to Review

MADISON—The group that represents most of the law enforcement officers in the state slammed Scott Walker’s new television and radio campaign ads for making what it characterized as “desperate false statements designed to distract the public and corrupt the election.” The Wisconsin Professional Police Association’s executive director, Jim Palmer, called on radio and television stations to take the ads down immediately, and is asking for the Dane County District Attorney to review whether the ads violate a criminal statute.

...Walker’s radio and television ads accuse Tom Barrett of lying and intentionally covering up violent crime in Milwaukee,

.. Palmer also asserts that the governor is trying to capitalize on a dynamic that he helped create by providing no funding to the state agency tasked with verifying the crime data it receives from local police and sheriffs’ departments....

Oh --@Patriot
@GovWalker's DNR is in trouble also.

#Walker #Sewergate:10 Reps/Sens ask DNR to use emerg. powers to make polluter test wells where 15M lbs sewage spread http://www.wispolitics.com/1006/120529_Hulsey_DNR.pdf

@morninmist -- That's 'open for business' in action. Those ridiculous rules cost too much to obey. Besides, everyone who 'counts' can afford to drink Perrier anyway.

WOW!!! Slimy weasels will stop at nothing!!! I am amazed at the level the left will stoop. Like a cancer we must stop it from speading

Patriot, Governor Walker stands for the people who can/will make big campaign donations to his war chest and Americans for Prosperity. He "divides and conquers" and "drops the bomb" on his less affluent and less gullible constituents.
(His words, not mine.)

Socialism is when the government controls everything. Business, governance. The fact that we can initiate the recall process represents the magnificence of our state and federal governments! As they say, "This is what democracy looks like!" I do not make hate slurs. I am unrelenting I agree when it comes to pointing out the facts of the Scott Walker administration. We are dealing with Scott Walker the candidate, not the man, do not forget. Some folks have a problem making that distinction.

Governor Walker is the shining beacon of ALEC and the undermining of our democracy to grease the skids for unfettered corporate profiteering. No thank you.

And what's wrong with wanting to "save the world?" We live here, after all.

@Bren-But again fail to look at your sides failures!!! Barrett is a complete failure and once again the bottom line is this is really about the union bosses possibly loosing their down payment on the next lexus, mercedes, bmw, cadillac ect. Nothing more Bren. The whole recall process was initiated due to ACT 10 yet it has turned into nothing more than a smear campaign since the initial reason no longer has substance!!

@Bren-It takes a real leader to stand up to the big corrupt union bosses whose only interest is their pocket books. What we have learned is that those big union bosses will resort to whatever means neccessary to acheive their goals, from violent threats, boycotts, mud slinging ect. We have seen since this all started last year in Madison!!!

@Greg

It would be fitting if Walker did that:

http://www.wisdems.org/news/press/view/2012-05-breaking-wisdems-research-contradicts-scott-walker-b

May 29, 2012
BREAKING: WisDems Research Contradicts Scott Walker Bid-Rigging Evasions

In the face of bombshell revelations in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel today raising questions about Scott Walker's role in a bid-rigging scheme, the Democratic Party of Wisconsin Tuesday released internal county documents directly contradicting Walker's explanation of his role in the scandal.

Internal documents released today show that:

Hiller’s questionable involvement seems to have played a key role in the controversial and troubling bidding process.
Another property was actually the original low bidder in the process until the Walker administration took the questionable action of doing a “best and final” offer, as requested by Hiller.
Regardless of the outcome of the bidding process, or what potentially incriminating evidence was discussed between Walker and Hiller in their email exchanged seized by prosecutors, County documents reveal conclusively that Hiller corrupted the bidding process, and that he traded on his close, personal relationship with Scott Walker to do so........

@morninmist -

Did you even read that so-called 'news' release from the DPW before you started blindly perpetuating it? It makes absolutely no sense what-so-ever.

"County documents reveal conclusively that Hiller corrupted the bidding process, and that he traded on his close, personal relationship with Scott Walker to do so."

If the documents are so revealing, how come I can't find anything in them indicating that which Hiller supposedly "traded" with Walker in order to corrupt the bidding process? What exactly is it that the Dems are alleging Hiller trader with Walker, and what did he receive from Walker in the trade?

Without an item or money or something specific, this is nothing more than a completely fabricated smear campaign. Please, do us all a favor and learn to think for yourself instead of blindly following the party line!

John Hiller? The son of Jaren Hiller, realtor and big name in Wisconsin Right to Life and the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod. The unholy marriage of legislation and Someone Else's Morality/Religion.

I kind of like Ron Jr.

Hmm.... Michael Reagan making a living due to his name and Randy notes that he likes Ron Jr..

@Randy... You win the award for the most ironically funny thing said today on patch

Thank you -- I think. Of course Ron Jr. owes some of his success in life to the family name too, but he seems a little more on the ball than brother Michael.

; )

There is no bigger buffoon in American politicos -- which is damed tough -- than Joe Opileofcrap.

You are going to quote nonsense like this?

Well Keith at least he did not swindle over 30K from the village. Funny how only your side and your sides media references are valid.

Ask the people of Arizona how they feel about big JOE. They love him

Yeah, an F for voting against grenade launchers. The humanoids at the NRA plays with you like a toy.

Stop imagining things Traitor. Here's the reality. Walker brought his cracker Deer Czar up from Texas who refers to those who support public hunting groups as Communists. So you can have your gun, you'll just have to pay through the nose to hunt for them. Finally everything we've been warning you poor smacks about is going to happen to the very reason why you vote Republican in the first place, and oh yeah, the Democrats elected a black president.

Like I always say, you stand less of a chance of losing your gun under a Democrat than losing your job under a Republican. But now you can have your gun under both parties, but you can't afford to hunt feet with it under the GOP.

If you don't key into this one, you are really, really, really dense and you deserve everything that happens to you if you reelect Scott Walker.

For years you have denied your family opportunity because you think you had to protect your right to hunt as you though provided by job-strangling Republicans. Now you could lose both opportunity and huntin'.

I hope your wife forgives you some day.

@Schmitzy -

"...the Democrats elected a black president."

You're the only person on this entire board to bring up race, and you've done it a few times now. You do realize that you've turned into a bigger race monger than Saxon Realm, Audi Fan, and AWD, don't you? Just because you have some unresolved racial guilt doesn't mean that the rest of us do.

Give the racially motivated comments a rest already, and get my $50 ready to present to me!

@Schmitzy -

I stand corrected - Nick P, also a recaller, followed your lead in playing the race card on this board, so you weren't the only one. Funny though how the only two commentators on this board playing the race card happen to support the recall effort. I'll let you decide what that signifies!

Ok Schmitty-We all know Holders gun running scandal was nothing more than a false flag to impose or try to impose more regulation and it was a direct attack on the second amendment except it backfired.
Grenade launchers? Really okay buddy. First of all more gun laws only affect law abiding citizens not the criminal. They will still poses grenade launchers. I think you played in all that poopy water one to many times

The ordinance Barrett voted against would never be used by licensed hunters. They might however, in the hand of a gang, be used to cause mayhem on a city street. There's a huge difference between legal and illegal gun ownership. Barrett belongs to Mayors Against Illegal Guns. I would think the NRA and gun owners would support measures to get illegal guns off the street.

@Bren-Again you can pass all the laws you want and the criminals will still have illegal weapons. Its an attack on our second amendment

Yeah, Jimmy, racism has nothing to do with the motivation why a lot people vote Republican against their self interest, and the GOP knows it so they manipulate those people.

Got a problem with that Jimmy? Of course you do because you know it's true and you know it works.

Tough.

@Keith-Well someone who scams over 30K from the village belongs in the deep tunnel buddy

swimming with all the poopies

Hey Traitor, if I want any crap out of you I'll squeeze your head.

@Keith-Hahahaha I sense a note of being upset. Well just imagine how the people of Shorewood feel, knowing that you scammed them out of thousands

Years of Walker's poop is there also.

And more poop from Walker is keeping his criminal lawyer team busy!!

Scott Walker's latest financial disclosure form reveals he has transferred ANOTHER $100,000 to his criminal defense fund. @edshow @WeGotEd

At risk of repetitive posting, here's the link to the MMSD graph showing declining levels of overflow into the lake: http://www.mmsd.com/Overflow.aspx. If you like these numbers, call Tom Barrett and let him know!

Thanks Bren for the link to the MMSW. Very helpful.

@morninmist -

You're right for a change - Bren's MMSD link is very helpful in showing Barrett's shortcomings and failures. The chart clearly shows that the only significant change occurred in 1994, long before Barrett arrived on the scene in MKE. And even then, the 'Deep Tunnel' project has provided us with a literal roller coaster of cognizable results, as shown by the chart, despite costing taxpayer's billions. If that's what you guys consider to be effective, efficient, and expedient results, then all I can say is WOW!

From 2000-2003 it appeared as if Barrett's predecessor had the problem licked. But then, in Barrett's first year as Mayor in 2004, the discharge rate more than triples - and yet this is the kind of result that you and Bren apparently credit to competent working leadership, right? Come on - REALLY???

Admittedly, it appeared as if Barrett had the problem figured out and resolved between 2005-2007, but then all of a sudden a literal crap storm appears in 2008 and lasts through 2010 - a 1,334% increase from the good baseline years. So much for Barrett's leadership, eh?

What I can't understand is how both you and Bren were all up in arms about POTENTIAL contamination of drinking water wells with the proposed mining legislation, but aren't at all critical about Barrett's failure to fix the MMSD and the very REAL effects that such pollution has for contaminating the drinking water of those who receive it from the Lake. Not to mention the deterioration of natural resources and the monetary fine that the city has to pay to the City of Chicago each time it releases raw sewage into the Lake.

Exactly how hypocritical can you two get for the sake of playing partisan politics? If either of you were at all principled, you'd admit that independent candidate Hari Trivedi represents a much more worthy opponent to Walker than Barrett. But a principled Democrat - I'm afraid that's an oxymoron!

Was it Barrett who installed screens to pick the rubbers out though?

Not as good as the original "Ed" show, where the other end of the horse did the talking.

1961 Kenya didn't even bother to document births, and I doubt they do in 2012 Kenya.
Months after being born in Kenya, one could board a flight to US territory and claim the birth took place in the air. Ignore that Grannie claims to have been there for the birth in Kenya, she could have her mudgrass huts mixed up.
Obama's attack on Christianity is not indicative of his roots, nor is his past associates and pastors.

Exactly. Take some time a read some of Obama's book. Dreams of My Father and then tell me this man has our best interest at heart. He is an admitted radical, an admitted racists who does not like white people period. Those are his own words as he narrates his own book. Look at the people the young Barry Sotero surrounded himself with and that will explain just how radical this man is.

It was recently reported that the cold case posse of Sherriff Joe has uncovered some shocking evidence while in Hawaii investigating Obamas so called Hawaian birth. Not to mention his pamplet produced by his literary agency quoted him as being Kenyan born as well!!! This is the biggest scam ever pulled on the American People.
Obama is a socilaists and the socialist believe in a socialisim democrocy and to be a member all that is required is either to be a resident of the USA or a citizen!! Just proves that Obama cares nothing about the US Constitution and would explain why him being Kenyan matters none as well. As he is a citizen of the US so therefore that makes him eligible to be President. WAKE UP PEOPLE we must stand up against socialism and the evil that it spreads. Its no longer just trickling in, its now flooding our streets

Hahahahaha thats funny. Joe hairplug Biden!!! Love it. Yes Trump is a genuis compared to Biden. I would say trum is a genuis compared to Obama. Obama who has never been in charge of anything in his entire life, never managed a corporation, ran a business of any sort but rather a failed lawyer who has been spoon fed and pampered his entire life. Figured Im lousy at being an attorney lets try politics. Since I am sooooooooooooooooo smooth I can sell anything. About all that guy has sold is GUNS!! He has won the top gun salesman of all time.

@Tosa-Its your lie tell it how you want!! It was just reported that health care costs will jump by over 7% in 2013!! The article stated that health care costs are set to sky rocket!! As soon as I find the article again I will attach the link. You are sooooooooooo blind. But of course when your stealing from the system how would you know what is costs a corporation to provide health care? Such a joke.
Walker leads by 7!!!!! Times are a changing my man

@Tosa-You really need to start thinking for yourself. Rememeber Obama promised lower health care costs with his genuis idea of Obama Care!!! Guess what again in 2013 it is expected to increase 7.5% more than 3 times the projected amounts for inflation. Sounds like Obama Care is really working. Exactly why we need Gov Walker to help reduce the States cost!! Knock those people off of Badger Care who dont really need to be on it. Another reason we need to adopt Paul Ryans plan. Otherwise when my kids reach their I have enough age there will be something for them.
http://news.yahoo.com/healthcare-costs-rise-7-5-percent-2013-report-041109408--sector.html

Listen sweetheart, you truly do not know what you are talking about. Do you have any idea or clue how much Obamacare has added to group insurance and individual insurance rates?

@Tosa-Well again you are truely misinformed. Considering the possibility of large corporations or even small businesses droping their health coverage and throwing everyone onto Obama Care!!! Look the US Government could not even run Cash For Clunkers successfully, so what makes you think they will be able to manage my health care. No Thank You!!
Gov Walker all the way!!! Let me know how the Obama Death squads treat you if Obama Care should prevail after the Justice's decision next month.

Tosa720, well educated? your rants are just typical liberal bs with no facts or basis in reality. How about tort reform? No, the lawyers are the second biggest contributors to democrats behind unions. Costs go up because of new technology? Umm, it's actually the exact opposite in a lot of areas; tvs, computers, mining etc. Please take a moment to ponder what you are thinking before making a complete fool of yourself.

Patriot -- What is to stop corporations from deciding that their health insurance plans affect their bottom line too much and dumping you onto nothing at all? At least with the Affordable Healthcare Act you'll have the state insurance pools to choose from if you find yourself bare, and you'll have some help from the government if your income doesn't match your health premiums.

If Mitt wins and we go back to the previous system, you'll learn what 'death panels' really are. They're insurance companies that refuse to pay for that next round of chemo or that transplant they don't think is cost effective.

@Randy-Lots of what ifs there buddy. Sorry I will not sell out to the socialist movement based on whats ifs!!

Yes, Patriot -- what if you lose your job or your company decides not to be so generous? Under the old system you were SOL, and if that's what you want, I say, "May life bring you enlightenment."

@Randy-Well sir that is what safety nets are intended for!!! What is the world ends tonight? So we live in what ifs? Stop you sound like a total clown. Basing everything on what ifs. Hmmmmm sell your soul on what ifs

Government intervention, ie the government paying the bills, is what leads to the rising cost structure, not insurance companies. Same thing is happening in higher education. Pull your head our of the sand dear, you know now what you speak.

@Tosa-You could not be more wrong and uninformed. Hmmm lets see prior to Act 10 school districts were required to purchase their health care plan from ONE PLACE. So please explain to me how that is cost controlling considering we have recently discovered how much we the tax payer were being gouged!!! So thanks to Gov Walkers reforms the district is able to shop around for a better rate. Again you are so wrong. Competition provides better value rather than a monopoly.

It is your boy Obama who believes in same sex marriage!! You all beat your drums saying Gov Walker has taken away fundamental rights. Please explain to me when having the right to bargain became a fundamental right? Its a privalege that was granted to the public sector and now has been reigned in!! Again not a right but rather a privalege.
There are laws in place to protect workers rights. Stop with the rhetoric about Gov Walker hating women and not concerned about equal pay. What he did was to stop all the bogus lawsuits brought on by women whe feel they are being cheated. IE A young women with say 5 years working for a company, doing the very same job as a man who has been there say 15 years. Now most office type settings or management positions are salary based. So the gentlemen has 15 years with the company and his pay is based off of merit and time. Her having 5 years does not entitle her to the same pay

Wow, and I thought your last post was ridiculous. I can't believe that you can write these posts and actually believe them. I was in a union years ago and it was a horrible experience where people who worked half as hard (or didn't work) got paid more because of seniority only. Then later working in management with a union was even worse. It costs more to do everything meaning we had less money available for wage increases and total compensation when their contract came up and they couldn't understand how they rules they put in place were hurting the entire company. Competition is what has made this country great. Insurance companies are supposed to achieve profits but because there are hundreds of insurance companies bidding for the same service they aren't allowed to just raise rates. Common sense is such a shortcoming for the liberals.

Patriot: I find your use of the word "sweetie" amusing.We both know-as does everyone else on this forum-you meant to demean me personally&debase my commentary, however your obvious attack serves only to expose you as an old chauvinist. For a male stranger to call an unknown female "sweetie" or any other term of endearment implies a judgement of incompetence on the part of the target. Know this: your "not-so-sly" little snipe causes as little personal injury to me as Rush Limbaugh's comments to strong, independent women. It serves to demonstrate that you cannot debate intelligently, civilly or rationally. Note: I have no problem refraining from calling you "sonny", "hunny", "big guy" or "macho-man".
Now - more importantly re: your comment about Kissinger: Why would anyone want to align themselves with Kissinger? (see next post)

@Tosa-Again your version of spin. I do not set out to demean anyone on this thread. I merely state the facts and it is your side who generally is first to draw blood with the demeaning comments. Especially your boy Mr Schmitz who likes to refer to most of us on the right as brown shirts.
I have no idea why anyone would align themselves with Kissinger but if you take the time to think for yourself and brush the surface clean you will see that your ideology of big government falls right in line with the very desires those people have for you. Like I stated earlier the Bilderberg group is meeting right now discussing their next move.

@Nick-Thank God I did not have to rely on you and your fellow progressive liberals when the British tried to push the ideology onto us!!!! Maybe you should catch the boat back to Greece since your socialist, entitlements ways have done well for Greece, Spain and others to name a few!!!
God helps those who help themselves

@Nick-You are so far out of touch. This nation is the furthest thing from a Republic from which it was founded upon!! Thus the Tea Party was born. The Tea Party believes in the very principles that our founders intended for us to follow. Its is your party and your ideology who feels the Constitution is no longer valid. Yet you use the term Democratic Republic in your text. Those two words do not belong together. Again just shows how ignorant your really are and how much you have been brain washed!!! If we were a Republic things would be completely different. Many of our foundered warned us against Big Government, against Tyranical Government. Thus our 2nd amendment is of the utmost importance ensuring us the freedom from a tyranical Government. But see that is just another liberal talking point when it comes to bashing Walker!!!

Nick since you feel so strongly about your ideology your free to leave this Country and stand with those who follow your ideology. Greece!!!

One more pompous, egotistical liberal to add to the list. Did you notice that you didn't have one fact in your entire argument? Why do libs bring up Christianity when the people who donate more time, money, and resources is conservatives? Fact distortions? How about showing a fact that is being distorted? I believe that is called mud-slinging. Your arguments are weak and baseless. Did you notice that a democrat from Alablama just renounced the democratic party because he said they have strayed to far off their path?

Nick:

You make the claim that the right is guilty of using 'fear based' tactics. Perhaps you need to take a look in the mirror and the stuff that the anti-Walker crowd has been posting.

You really don't see how making a statement that indicates that Walker is 'out to destroy the democratic republic' isn't fear based rhetoric? The overblown statements about 'republicans promoting environmental damage' seem to be fear based as well. Even though you didn't mention them above, I would also consider the claims about Walker's "draconian" cuts to education, the doubling of class sizes, and the mass teacher layoffs to be fear mongering as well.

Ever since Walker's BRB was proposed, we have been hearing the doomsayers on the left promising us doubling of class sizes, mass teacher layoffs, etc.

Yet when Barrett was cornered and asked by a reporter yesterday if he could name a school district that has been hit by Gov Walkers Act 10 his response Quote " Well we can run an analysis and we will get back to you" What is that? The opponent in the Govs race and he can not even give facts to his rhetoric. Again all the ads and rhetoric that we have been bombarded with are just that fear mongering, mud slinging rhetoric

Adjunct Associate Professor Pompus Poulos at it again, but this time without references to dead philosophers. This is what $200 a day gets you at UW Milwaukee.....

Nick, Do you think it is the governments job to put a value on women? I find this to be a disgusting concept!
This nation was founded on the principle of FREEDOM.

Patriot, what the Colonials "stood up" to in 1776 (and several decades prior) is precisely what the radical right fringe want to regress us. Rigid authoritarianism. Women and nonwhites as chattel. Indentured servitude and slavery. Society has evolved since then and that's a good thing.

Concerning "we have no freedoms," anarchy doesn't promote productive or long life. What those who have forgotten their U.S. history believe to be "Government telling us what's best" is actually democracy in action, involving legislative processes that has taken place over generations, in some cases.

The former USSR, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics; China, the Third Reich; these represent socialism. If the U.S. is to avoid becoming socialist, it needs to send the Tea Party/GOP out of the mainstream and back to the far right fringe where it belongs.

@Tosa? You really believe all the crap you just wrote? So your now saying that unless you follow the liberal ideology and are not educated your nothing? Because that is just what you said. So please explain to me how you or anyone else being highly educated has anything to do with my freedoms? NONE!! Your ideology of big Government does not equal freedom!! Your also saying that we are not Christians? The right to collectivelly bargain IS NOT A RIGHT but rather a privilege!!
Question for you? So lets take the Omish for example. Im guessing your feelings about them are pretty much the same!! They are very real people who do not adopt the ideologys of the left or the right!! They believe in hard work, helping thy neighbor and the difference there is not helping thy neighbor who takes advantage of the help he/she recieves.

Tosa the majority of the Tea Party movement are real people. Your every day father, wife, husband. Real people with values and morals, hard working people. Its funny how you all on the left feel that a 120 dollar college education puts you above those who maybe did not attend college or limited college. Hmmmmmmm sounds like you have placed yourself above the rest?
Logic differs from common sense!! Again because you or anyone else has had 6 years, 8 years or more of college does not make them smarter or better than someone with say 2 years or less when it comes to our basic rights

As I've written before, there are many areas where experience and intelligence can compensate for a formal education, but there are some that require specific expertise--accounting, dentistry, law, medical, veterinary surgery, etc. I don't think a law degree is required to be a modern-day political office holder, but I believe it's a tremendous boon. Likewise economics.

You have just proven that you are a complete liberal troll. How about some facts? Wait, that doesn't fit the liberal playbook. I will bring this up again; conservatives dontate more of their time, money, blood (not a misprint), resources etc. So how about liberals start actually living what they preach. Why is it that you want the govt to force people to pay more taxes? Guilty over the fact that you know you won't dontate anything to the causes you claim are so important? Conservatives only ask that people who are mooching from the system get back to work. I can tell from your post and job experience that you probably believe every sob story that comes before you. This is why we can't have people like you in office. You need people with common sense who can see a thief for what they are.

@Tosa-Honestly it has nothing to do with that. See the problem is we voted Gov Walker into office and we are very satisfied with his performance thus far. But for a small group of individuals to disagree and then decide to re-call based on that alone is wrong period. Basically saying our vote did not count nor matter. Again completely wrong as you cannot argue the facts, that Walkers reforms are working. As a tax payer where is my voice in saying enough!! Well Gov Walker is that voice. The Fab 14 and those who have beaten their drums stole my vote. That is not democratic at all!!

Anger? What anger? Please don't misquote me. I know you like to pick and choose what you listen to but I don't like people misquoting me. There are people who steal from the govt. This is a fact. These people need to get off the govt dime. Of course there are people that need to get help. The point is to provide for those that REQUIRE NEED and not put people on the govt dole to get votes like libs do.

This is why you Libs are so concerned. I should say the unions are so concerned so obviously they are going to mudsling as much as possible. They stand to loose lots of money

Gov Walker is smashing Mayor Barrett. Barrett still can not tell the people what his plan is for economic development!!! But rather just attack. Barrett hes a looser a 3peat looser