Forget the Crusades. What about Westfield Baptist Church? Timothy McVeigh? Many examples of Christian extremism every day.

Before you get too critical, you may want to note that the Democrat party engages in their share of fear-mongering as well. It is a tool that both sides seem to employ far too often...

Uh huh. And pray tell, Dung; what do Democrats fear-monger about?

Scott Walker's "draconian" budget cuts to education. Remember after Walker's budget speech the line of doomsayers claiming that Walker's cuts will double class sizes, cause massive teacher layoffs, etc.

The entire recall effort seems to be the result of Dem fear-mongering...

Nice; good job sticking the recall into a totally unrelated article. Okay, Democrats fear-monger about one thing, although I'd refer to it as raising awareness of the shortsightedness of balancing the state budget by sacrificing the education of our state's children. Tomato, tomato.

You were the one that asked for an example...

I don't think that the education of our state's children was sacrificed at all--making the claim that it was might also be considered to be fear mongering. Most school districts came out ahead with Walker's changes.

Perhaps the recent mining bill debate is another issue where the Dems predicted all kinds of terrible consequences that would have been caused by the mere passage of the bill...

Well, I don't think that one reaches the level of fear-mongering. Fear-mongering is when you talk about "death panels." Or when you put an arbitrary color scale in place (green to red, passing yellow and amber on the way) just so everyone knows how scared they're supposed to be. Or beating the drum about nonexistent weapons of mass destruction in... was it Iraq? Iran? They're kind of blending together, aren't they? Or making nursing mothers drink their own breast milk in order to board an airplane. Or flipping out about a "war on Christmas." Or characterizing same sex marriage as a "war on marraige." Or suggesting that the President is a secret Muslim operative, and that he wants to subject the US to "Sharia Law." Or, you know, claiming that the SATAN is attacking America via the public university system.

Oooooh yeah, that's some good fear-mongering. I'd go on, but I'm too afraid right now...

OK--if you want to take this discussion national we can bring up global warming, and the doom that was claimed if we didn't pass national healthcare, or the starving seniors that would result from social security reforms or a government shutdown. As I said before, both sides use fear mongering far too often...

It seems like you are stretching a bit with your fear monger claims--how are the color scale for alert levels considered to be fear mongering? Not sure who's being instilled with fear from the nursing mother drinking her breastmilk (is that really a republican mandate?) thing either...

Yeah, it's a Republican culture of fear. The color scale thing is actually one of the best examples - "the threat level is orange; we can't divulge what that means, or what you should do about it, but we just want you to be more afraid that usual for a while."

And yes, without Social Security (or with "privatized" Social Security, which presumably would have tanked with everything else in 2008), seniors would starve. Starving seniors is why social security exists in the first place.

I didn't even want to bring up global warming, because that's something to -actually- be scared of. But if you think that global warming is a conspiracy, or junk science, or nothing to be worried about, then you are tragically wrong. It's such an insane position to be afraid of Brookfield Muslims, but not afraid of threats to the predictability of the weather, and thus the security of our food supply, on a global scale. Insurance companies believe in global warming, and have adjusted their underwriting accordingly. You should believe it too.

And finally; yes, part of the TSA rules regarding liquids on airplanes required mothers to taste their own breast milk, if they had more than 3 ounces, to prove that it wasn't exploding poison. That ended in 2007, but it was apparently a vital part of our national fear-based security policy for five years.

Weren't we supposed to be all under water by 2010 because of global warming and the resulting rise in sea levels?

Notice how the examples I gave were from Democrats predicting doom and gloom if either their laws are not passed, or the laws of the opposing party are passed. That is fear mongering. The example of a TSA security policy (like breast milk tasting) is not.

I've said my piece on global warming; just make sure your will includes a nice apology to you grandkids.

The fear-mongering side of all of the absurd "security theater" came when anyone who questioned it was called unpatriotic. The "swift-boating" of John Kerry is another example - "the decorated veteran won't keep you safe, but the guy who makes you drink breast milk will." Some of us were paying attention back then, and remember how bad neocons can get. If you're not afraid any more; well, you have Barack Obama to thank for that.

Watch this with an open mind. Sam Harris on Islam. It's the fundamentals of Islam which are a problem and not Islamic fundamentalism. Educate yourself on the history of Islam. It is a marxist/communist cult from the 7th century in very simplistic terms. Depends on your level of intellect whether you get it or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWg0IiW4A_k

Fear mongering is when the democrats say birth control cost $3000.00 a year, no where in America does it cost that. You can get a shot for $75.00 that last 3 months, target it is $9.00 a month, or an implant for $400.00 for 3 years or planned parenthood...free, omg... That is fear mongering trying to decoy issue into something its not. Also, insurance already pays for BC when it is considered medical, not sexual. I hate Obama and all his non transparency and lies, Just wait for the biggest tax hike on all of America in 2013 right after the elections, just pray the US supreme Court strikes down Obummercare! When the Bush tax cuts are gone and they will be gone under Oblowhole and we have pay for all of this stupid, that no one wants health care law and people will die! Go talk to any Doctor or anyone in the medical world 16,000 new codes and Doctors are fleeing their own profession if it happens. It violates so many personal rights and has one Justice said, "THen where does it end, the govt can make you buy anything, even broccoli! Only 35% of the country supports Obuumercare, get a clue!! PLEASE GET RID OF THIS IDIOT IN CHIEF!

So sorry you were not there or you would not have posted such ignorant comments.

Religious Director Of Proposed Brookfield Mosque Formerly Ran Group Shut Down For Funding Terrorists

The ex president of the Islamic Circle of North America and the Director of the Universal Heritage Foundation most recently served as the South Asian Affairs coordinator for Kind Hearts an Islamist "charity" busted by the feds last month for its ties to terror funding.

Shah has now moved his Islamist flim-flam operation North, to Wisconsin.

Do not be so naive you ignorant folks of Islam,

Sorry, but my God doesn't say to blow up innocent people and get a thousand STD infected women.

@Kafir you need to educate yourself. If you think us Christians haven't killed or blown people up, you are either uneducated, ignorant, stupid or all three.

It's more likely that they won't be voting Obama because they think he's Muslim...

@CD - Probably true. I think that's the back of Orly Taitz's head in the second picture.

Actually, most won't vote for him because of his policies.

What part of "Our God is not your God," addresses the traffic issue or concerns over expansion?

If they were truly going to start small and expand to 'huge' at some point in the future, wouldn't they have to get approval before making such a drastic expansion? The concerns about traffic and such should wait until then.

I find the traffic concerns ironic in the face of rampant residential and commercial development in the Brookfield area over the last ten to twenty years. Calhoun is a major arterial road and will see increased traffic whether or not that mosque is built.

Since you were there, you know that the investigation into Kindhearts was inconclusive and dropped for lack of any conclusive evidence. It turned out that the entire investigation was based on hearsay and false accusations. Keep in mind, it was not Zulfiqar Ali Shah, but the organization that hired him being investigated back in 2007. This is the United States- innocent until proven guilty still means something. Especially when he wasn't charged with anything. You should look up the definition of defamation.

If you were there, then you also know that the gentlemen from the Islamic Society of Milwaukee stated that there is no possibility of expansion past Phase II. Honestly, the reason that a center is being built in Brookfield is because the Islamic community in Milwaukee has outgrown the main center on 13th. It's not buildings that are expanding, its the people. Also, there are already Muslims in the Brookfield area. If "radical Islam" were to threaten your way of life, it would have already happened. These people aren't radical terrorist extremists, hell-bent on destroying American culture as we know it. They are everyday people who, quite honestly, probably don't want to drive so far to get to their place of worship. With gas prices at $5.00 a gallon, I can't blame them.

ILove Brookfield;

Well, we know that at least two people who were there someone opposed the mosque on religious grounds. We know that The Eagle Forum is a "non partisan" (snort) group of right wing radicals, with no reason to muster at a mosque over "traffic" concerns.

As for the allegations against Zulifiqar Ali Shah; if there was anything to them, he'd be in Guantanamo right now. As it is, he probably has a CIA operative hiding in his toilet. So, your concern about those allegations is just emblematic of how paranoid and insecure the right wing radicals are feeling these days. As well they should - demographic analysis shows that they're aging and dying off, now consigned forever to angry minority status.

So, based on the above, forgive me for thinking that the people who attended this "meeting" were just there to have a tantrum.

Bill is an un-American religious zealot, fact.

@Bill....I would hope that he's an avowed Islamist, that is defined as a practicing Muslim. Further more, a mosque is no different than a church, synagogue or any other religious building. I think the major objection to this plan is quite simply prejudice clothed in stated community concern. With the Eagle Forum of Wisconsin taking the lead in the opposition, It can't be anything else but blind prejudice and bigotry. I think the main concern over building the mosque is; that if a religious center of worship comes into the community, it will attract more Muslims to settle in the community. With such diversity, Brookfield will no longer be such a bastion of Christian conservatism. this is clearly much ado about nothing.

Lyle: I think the real issue is a mosque, church, or synagogue doesn't pay taxes on the property. If there are traffic issues, it is up to the town to take care of that.
Let's be honest, people are influenced by the media. Media has shown us radical acts around the world related to faith.

@Craig...If it is an issue of taking the property off the tax rolls, then come out and state it.

There are traffic issues near every church on Sunday. I didn't see the Eagle Forum worrying about the traffic on Barker Road south of Davidson. Or with the two churches off Brookfield Road between Blue Mound and Gebhardt.

I imaging Ruby Isle generated some traffic at the intersection of Calhoun and North too. Every day.

I didn't pay attention in theology classes, but I think Islam worships at various times of every day- not just Sunday???? Anyone help?

@Craig -- They pray several times a day, but it doesn't have to be at a mosque. I just know that no one complains about the traffic rush from some of the large churches before and after Sunday services, so what makes a mosque so special?

@Craig...Muslims pray five times per day. Friday is their day of prayer and it usually occurs in the afternoon.

Okay, so I assume their worship day is Friday Lyle? Then it is not daily traffic.
My ignorance of the faith must be shared by many others- if not most people.
The problem with secret societies and religion that we do not understand is it is easy to buy into conspiracy theories. I at least know not to jump to conclusions but not everyone shares that opinion. Watching the news coverage regarding Arab Spring may create some fear.
I feel the anti Muslim sentiment is much stronger today than it was post 9/11. Ten years ago we called it extreemists. Not everyone would agree with that today.

I just noticed...look at the body language of the people in the photo.

@Craig...You are correct that they represent the proverbial "other". We Jews also represent the "other" in an overwhelmingly Christian society.

There is a conspiracy theory that Muslims are trying to impose Sharia (Islamic Law) on the secular society. Many laws of Sharia closely resembles Kosher Laws and are pertinent only to the observers of Islam or Judaism. Just as Jews follow secular laws so do Muslims. Specific Sharia has a lot to do with observance of dietary laws such as abstinence from all alcohol and pork products. Other parts of Sharia have to do with ritual purity and women's modesty issues. The extreme expressions of Sharia are scare tactics and represent laws and customs that are illegal in the US. Issues like honor killings and female mutilation keep being brought up as wide spread Muslim activity, which it is not. Islamic women are also working toward full suffrage and we all should be supportive of their efforts but not interfering. Just as the Jewish and Christian Bibles can be interpreted in a number of different ways, so is the Qur'an.

My youngest daughter, who is headed to rabbinic college, is very close with a number Islamic students on campus. Besides her major in Hebrew Studies she is also getting a certificate in Mid-East Relations and Islamic Studies. These friends include Palestinians and my daughter and her friends have mutual respect for one another. Except for Israel, they have more in common than most of her Christian friends.

@Lyle: You must be very proud of your daughter. I certainly would be.
A decade ago I remember hearing that the Qur'an was very similar to the Bible, much of the subject matter was nearly identical. Since then there have been many "christian" preachers making claims about the Qur'an. That has led me to question the peacefulness of the Qur'an. The media isn't helping this issue at all; if someone goes crazy and shoots up a crowd, the media deliberately mentions their Muslim faith. It plants seeds that grow like weeds.

Taoist Crocodile is a handsome and brilliant reptile, and can eat a whole box of crackers in one sitting. Not that that's relevant; it's just on my mind for some reason.

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Uh huh. And the Catholic church forbids fornication. It's pretty scary how Americans are so obedient to their religious leaders, isn't it?

http://bridgehouston.wordpress.com/2012/03/12/the-cowardice-of-israel-apartheid-week-supporters/
"This coming week will see too many college campuses playing host to the farcical “Israel Apartheid Week,” (IAW) where self-anointed human rights activists will single out Israel as the most egregious violator of human rights on the planet. Never mind that The Heidelberg Institute for Conflict Research has identified 363 open wars or conflicts in the year 2010, and that Arab apartheid within their own countries is well ingrained, college students are being taught that Israel is the worst offender. Never mind that Arab League calls tactical strikes against 15 known Gazan terrorists a ‘massacre’ while not finding words to describe murder of thousands of Syrian civilians. Never mind that within the last month dozens of Iraqi youth have been stoned to death for having ‘western haircuts’. Never mind that Palestinians in Lebanon are prevented by law from working in over 70 professions, from owning land and from obtaining citizenship, that is real apartheid, it’s legislated. And let’s turn a blind eye to Saudi Arabian institutionalization of blatantly open religious and gender apartheid."

"... Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and; also the women and little ones.... every male and every woman that has lain with a male you shall utterly destroy." (Judges 21:10-12)

"The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their women with child ripped open." (Hosea 13:16)

"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourself every girl who has never slept with a man." (Numbers 31:17-18)

"If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)

The texts of the Old Testament and the Qur'an are pretty similar, aren't they?

Hmmm, so maybe the Brookfield Christians are the ones we should be afraid of - their religion preaches the killing of women who have "lain with" men.

Actually, that's pretty much in line with the Republican war on women. Geez, this is actually more dire and depressing than I thought.

I know that he prays at least 5 times everyday that he doesn't get recalled and tossed out of office.

@Born Free...I have absolutely no idea why you are bringing into the discussion about establishing a mosque in Brookfield and an incident occurring in Russia. The American Muslim Community does not practice that extreme version of Islamic Law. You are making inflammatory statements attempting to incite public opinion against American Muslims and those in the Milwaukee area specifically. You need to self edit and discontinue such tripe.

@JayZee...Zulifiqar Ali Shah was investigated and cleared.

@Jim K....How is Islam supposed to eradicate Christianity? I don't see Muslims proselytizing outside of schools, public events, knocking on doors; attempting to convert people. However, I am constantly being approached or accosted by Christians of every variety.

Maybe Muslims will just out breed all the Christians. Let's see, approximately 2.5 million Muslims in the U.S., that represents .08 % of the population. To become a serious majority they would have to have 10 children per current population member to become a serious majority. I don't see that happening.

You don't establish any kind of credibility by needlessly ringing the alarm bell. Just admit that this is unwarranted prejudice.

Christianity is eradicating itself just fine without Islam's help; Pre-scientific notions and antiquated views about the role of women in a free society don't really wash for younger Americans.

Besides, American Muslims aren't nearly as radical as you'd like to believe, and their children will be even less so. Go away, dinosaur.

I'm not sure that American Christians are as radical as you'd like to believe, Taoist...

By that measure, one could say that there are plenty of radical Muslims as well--there are a lot of women clad in full niqab. How does that compare with the Christian radical's role of women in a free society?

The point is that promoting the negative stereotypes of religious beliefs does nobody any good, as does making statements about a religion being a 'threat to society' based on those stereotypes...

@CowDung....May I remind you of the White Supremacy movement, the KKK, and organizations like Westboro Baptist Church. This only represents a small portion of radicals who claim to be Christians.

Compare the numbers though Lyle. Trying to represent the whole of Christianity with some fringe groups hardly seems fair. Remember, there are Zionist terror groups in the US as well, but most people rightly see them as the exception rather than the rule.

@Lyle, your about as tolerant of diverse opinions as Hitler and Stalin were. Your pretentiousness is a perfect fit for political correctness propaganda. If you don't agree with the opposition that's cool but at least present real honest facts and all the facts rather then stooping to deception, maligning and innuendos. Anyone can pretend to be an intellectual when they need an ego boost to feel good however that does nothing to intigrate truth when all the while hiding behind a false facade to begin with.

Obviously because your so intolerant you don't want to know and don't want anyone else to know about the numerous jihadis cells living in the USA actively recruiting and training members daily and sometimes exporting them to do their dirty work after training.

You don't even know the definition of Celiphate or what a Sultan-Caliph is.
Have you even heard of the Ottoman Empire?

Have you heard about Muslim honor killings happening in the USA?

Did you know that some of the 9-11 hijackers lived in the USA?

Have you heard of the Fort Hood massacre in Texas? Hasan attended the Dar Al-Hijrah mosque in Falls Church, Virginia, in 2001, at the same time as Nawaf al-Hazmi and Hani Hanjour, two of the hijackers in the September 11 attacks.

But anyway since you brought up the KKK I guess I need to remind you once again about which Democrate party started and still is the party of the KKK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PzZsEWyAG8&feature=related

@Born Free....What I am intolerant of are fools, alarmists and conspiratorialists. There is a concerted effort by anti-Islamists to paint all Muslims as being jihadists. The logic goes something like this: If all jihadists are Muslim, then all Muslims are jihadists. Of course this is false as are the majority of conspiracy theories. We, as humans, live our lives based on probabilities. We understand probabilities through learning and experiences. What precisely is the probability that you or someone you know will be harmed by a jihadist is miniscule at most. Therefore, your xenophobia is unjustified.

I lived during the 1950s at the height of the "red scare", where people were worried that there was a commie around every corner. This "jihadist scare" is no different and just as unreal.

To answer your inquiry concerning my knowledge of Islam, I would speculate that I have a much better understanding of Islam than you do. Need i remind you that it was Islam that preserved the knowledge of the ancient world. The Christian Europeans owe a huge debt of gratitude to Islam for the medical arts, human physiology, astronomy, mathematics, Aristotle, Archimedes, etc.

Except for 9/11, which was perpetrated by foreign jihadists, there is only one incidence of terror committed by an American Muslim, the Fort Hood Massacre. All other acts of domestic terrorism have been committed by American non-Muslim citizens. Who should we fear more Islamists or our own radical citizens?

Lyle Rube, your ignorance is deafening. Have you not heard of the Venona Project?

@Alfred Kell...What does the Venona Project have to do with anything other than the Soviet's espionage program. I really don't see the relevance.

Have fun saying "I told you so" When your children are living in the intolerant world you've created for them. You are the worst kind of prejudice because you actually believe that you're not. If you have a friend who is Islamic than you are acknowledging the fact that Muslims already live here, building a Mosque isn't changing anything now is it?